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NC insurer says timing of mailings unfortunate The Associated Press Wednesday, October 28, 2009 RALEIGH, N.C. — Even Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina acknowledges that its timing on two recent mailings was unfortunate. The News&Observer of Raleigh reported that customers first learned their rates will rise by an average of 11 percent next year. Then they got a flier urging them to send an enclosed preprinted, postage-paid note to Sen. Kay Hagan denouncing what the company says is unfair competition that would be imposed by a government-backed insurance plan. Congress is likely to consider that public option as it debates the health care overhaul. "No matter what you call it, if the federal government intervenes in the private health insurance market, it's a slippery slope to a single-payer system," the BCBS flier read. "Who wants that?" Indignant Blue Cross customers, complaining that their premium dollars are funding the campaign, have called Hagan's office to voice support for a public option. They've marked through the Blue Cross message on their postcards and changed it to show they support the public option, then mailed the cards. "I hope it backfires," said Mark Barroso, a documentary film maker in Chatham County who is a Blue Cross customer and recipient of the mailings. "I'm doing everything I can to make sure it does." Beth Silberman of Durham said she "went sort of bonkers" about the mailing. "You're hostage to them, and then they pull this," she said. "My new premiums are funding lobbying against competition. It's pretty disgusting." A spokesman in Hagan's office, David Hoffman, said the postcards have not yet begun arriving in the senator's office because of the mail screening process, but he said lots of people have called, angry about the insurer's tactics. Blue Cross spokesman Lew Borman said the mailing relied on voter registration records, not a customer list. Since the company controls more than half of the state's health insurance market, the names on the lists overlapped. He declined to reveal how much money the insurer paid for the mailing. He acknowledged the timing was unfortunate but said it was coincidental since one mailing was tied to current events in Washington and the other to when the insurer typically sends its annual notices about rate increases. "We said from the beginning we were going to be involved and would tell North Carolinians what kind of impact the health care proposals would have, and that's what we've been doing," Borman said. ___ ""No matter what you call it, if the federal government intervenes in the private health insurance market, it's a slippery slope to a single-payer system," the BCBS flier read. "Who wants that?" Lots of people, especially those who are getting screwed regularly by their health insurance companies, that's who. |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Good to see that you are wondering. That's a step in the right direction. I was beginning to think that your mouth had completely lost communication with your brain. |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:37 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:21:46 -0400, H the wrote: NC insurer says timing of mailings unfortunate The Associated Press Wednesday, October 28, 2009 RALEIGH, N.C. — Even Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina acknowledges that its timing on two recent mailings was unfortunate. The News&Observer of Raleigh reported that customers first learned their rates will rise by an average of 11 percent next year. We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Ouch. A friend's main reason for working the required 10 years at his company was to get the company Medicare supplement package. He just found out from other retirees that they get cheaper and better packages on the open market. --Vic As I stated, there doesn't seem to be a legitimate rational for many of our current health insurance options. We seem willing to bend over farther and farther to enrich companies that do next to nothing to improve health. |
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wrote: More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Yesterday Lou Dobbs had a panel of eminent doctors on for about half an hour and gave their leader the reins of the show. Their view boiled down to: 1. Standardization/computeriztion of all insurance forms. 2. Everybody going to primary care and counseled on the lifestyle changes to keep them healthy. Heavy cost up front, but long term payoff. 3. Free medical school. Takes care of all doctor needs. 4. Catastrophic care taken care of by gov insurance. They were confident that the nation's medical needs can be accomplished for much less money and with better results than is currently done. Many countries already do it. They made a lot of sense. But they seemed to be dedicated and ethical doctors. They weren't pols on the take for campaign contributions. --Vic |
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says... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:37 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:21:46 -0400, H the K wrote: NC insurer says timing of mailings unfortunate The Associated Press Wednesday, October 28, 2009 RALEIGH, N.C. ? Even Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina acknowledges that its timing on two recent mailings was unfortunate. The News&Observer of Raleigh reported that customers first learned their rates will rise by an average of 11 percent next year. We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Ouch. A friend's main reason for working the required 10 years at his company was to get the company Medicare supplement package. He just found out from other retirees that they get cheaper and better packages on the open market. That's why you need to belong to associations and trade groups. |
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... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 10/30/09 2:16 PM, jps wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:37 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:21:46 -0400, H the wrote: NC insurer says timing of mailings unfortunate The Associated Press Wednesday, October 28, 2009 RALEIGH, N.C. — Even Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina acknowledges that its timing on two recent mailings was unfortunate. The News&Observer of Raleigh reported that customers first learned their rates will rise by an average of 11 percent next year. We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. BTW, what are their "net" profits? |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Yesterday Lou Dobbs had a panel of eminent doctors on for about half an hour and gave their leader the reins of the show. Their view boiled down to: 1. Standardization/computeriztion of all insurance forms. Puts too many bueareucrats out of business at the insurance companies. 2. Everybody going to primary care and counseled on the lifestyle changes to keep them healthy. Heavy cost up front, but long term payoff. What do you do about fat doctors? When I was young and was caught with cigarettes I received a lecture from my father about the evils of smoking, while he was somking a cigarette himself. A fat doctor telling me to lose weight isn't going to go over too well either. 3. Free medical school. Takes care of all doctor needs. Nope. No way. Aint going to happen. Nothing is free. If you want your medical school paid for you are going to have to obligate yourself to service of some kind with the understanding that if you break the agreement you are compelled to reimburse whomever paid for all of your expenses related to medical school. Or, you can work for minimum wage the rest of your life. Your choice. 4. Catastrophic care taken care of by gov insurance. Why does the government need to be involved? Is the government going to pay for PMI too incase you default on your mortgage? They were confident that the nation's medical needs can be accomplished for much less money and with better results than is currently done. Many countries already do it. They made a lot of sense. But they seemed to be dedicated and ethical doctors. They weren't pols on the take for campaign contributions. Medical care is not a right. Medical care is not a right, but it should be. Are you ready to put your money where your ample mouth is. That's the trouble with you loonie lefties. You want someone else to pay for it. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want. |
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H the K wrote: On 10/30/09 2:16 PM, jps wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:37 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:21:46 -0400, H the wrote: NC insurer says timing of mailings unfortunate The Associated Press Wednesday, October 28, 2009 RALEIGH, N.C. — Even Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina acknowledges that its timing on two recent mailings was unfortunate. The News&Observer of Raleigh reported that customers first learned their rates will rise by an average of 11 percent next year. We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. BTW, what are their "net" profits? He doesn't know. He's just expelling hot air through his blow hole. |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:53:22 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:01:01 -0400, wrote: BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. When you're 1/6 of the economy, 3.5% goes a long way. Probably more then tens of scores of dineros. --Vic Perhaps we should be asking what the profit margin is of the medical providers and drug companies but they seem to be immune from this scrutiny. Perhaps we should determine what comes out of "gross profits" to get down to "net profits," eh? There are many ways a corporation can play perfectly legal fun and games to lower its net profit dramatically. |
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On Oct 31, 10:50*am, TJ ""tj\"@florida,com" wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. *Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not true. |
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"TJ" ""tj\"@florida,com" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Yesterday Lou Dobbs had a panel of eminent doctors on for about half an hour and gave their leader the reins of the show. Their view boiled down to: 1. Standardization/computeriztion of all insurance forms. Puts too many bueareucrats out of business at the insurance companies. 2. Everybody going to primary care and counseled on the lifestyle changes to keep them healthy. Heavy cost up front, but long term payoff. What do you do about fat doctors? When I was young and was caught with cigarettes I received a lecture from my father about the evils of smoking, while he was somking a cigarette himself. A fat doctor telling me to lose weight isn't going to go over too well either. 3. Free medical school. Takes care of all doctor needs. Nope. No way. Aint going to happen. Nothing is free. If you want your medical school paid for you are going to have to obligate yourself to service of some kind with the understanding that if you break the agreement you are compelled to reimburse whomever paid for all of your expenses related to medical school. Or, you can work for minimum wage the rest of your life. Your choice. 4. Catastrophic care taken care of by gov insurance. Why does the government need to be involved? Is the government going to pay for PMI too incase you default on your mortgage? They were confident that the nation's medical needs can be accomplished for much less money and with better results than is currently done. Many countries already do it. They made a lot of sense. But they seemed to be dedicated and ethical doctors. They weren't pols on the take for campaign contributions. Medical care is not a right. Medical care is not a right, but it should be. Are you ready to put your money where your ample mouth is. That's the trouble with you loonie lefties. You want someone else to pay for it. That's the trouble with assumptions made by unthinking people. I already have put my money down. I'm willing to put more and my time. What's your excuse? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want. I'm sure you've tried it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "TJ" ""tj\"@florida,com" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want. I'm sure you've tried it. -- Nom=de=Plume Probably rejected because of his nasty unpatriotic attitude. |
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wrote: On 10/31/09 11:14 AM, wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:53:22 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:01:01 -0400, wrote: BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. When you're 1/6 of the economy, 3.5% goes a long way. Probably more then tens of scores of dineros. --Vic Perhaps we should be asking what the profit margin is of the medical providers and drug companies but they seem to be immune from this scrutiny. Perhaps we should determine what comes out of "gross profits" to get down to "net profits," eh? There are many ways a corporation can play perfectly legal fun and games to lower its net profit dramatically. Including gigantic salary and bonuses to its execs. |
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\"@florida,com" says... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want. When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... |
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4915-990f- oglegroups.com, says... On Oct 31, 10:50*am, TJ ""tj\"@florida,com" wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. *Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not true. Bull ****ing ****, see my last post.. Oh yeah, it doesn't fit your agenda so I must have heard it on Hannity, and of course I am more of a liar then JPS, Harry, Plume and the rest of them put together. I am so sick of this prejudice narrow minded bull**** from Obermann, and Maddow... The doctors (real doctors not a bunch of political operatives with white coats on) told me all about it the last time I was in, even suggested I do it myself... Stop being so led around by the ****ing nose, I am not a liar and I don't listen to Rush and Hannity, **** this it's useless to run around in circles proving stuff to you only to have you call it a lie cause you have been told it is by proven liars... |
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... In article , ""tj \"@florida,com" says... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of people are getting a package with something like that in it. IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month. Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an inflated rate. The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing. More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize, and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of providers. Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check. Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance. That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the government or the insurance companies BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin when compared to other, similar sized companies. What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another? All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free medical care they want. When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I hope you get well soon! Also, I hope you don't have to pay more than necessary and you can afford it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:
When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. |
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"H the K" wrote in message ... On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. Snotty was probably crying and whinning about the expense so the Doc may have felt sorry for him. What a dumb ass....... he should be the first one hoping and praying for universal medical care. |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:12 -0400, Tosk wrote:
Bull ****ing ****, see my last post.. Oh yeah, it doesn't fit your agenda so I must have heard it on Hannity, and of course I am more of a liar then JPS, Harry, Plume and the rest of them put together. I am so sick of this prejudice narrow minded bull**** from Obermann, and Maddow... The doctors (real doctors not a bunch of political operatives with white coats on) told me all about it the last time I was in, even suggested I do it myself... Stop being so led around by the ****ing nose, I am not a liar and I don't listen to Rush and Hannity, **** this it's useless to run around in circles proving stuff to you only to have you call it a lie cause you have been told it is by proven liars... Just a guess, you lost, or went without your meds. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"TJ" ""tj\"@florida,com" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K wrote: More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company middleman between us and our medical providers. Yesterday Lou Dobbs had a panel of eminent doctors on for about half an hour and gave their leader the reins of the show. Their view boiled down to: 1. Standardization/computeriztion of all insurance forms. Puts too many bueareucrats out of business at the insurance companies. 2. Everybody going to primary care and counseled on the lifestyle changes to keep them healthy. Heavy cost up front, but long term payoff. What do you do about fat doctors? When I was young and was caught with cigarettes I received a lecture from my father about the evils of smoking, while he was somking a cigarette himself. A fat doctor telling me to lose weight isn't going to go over too well either. 3. Free medical school. Takes care of all doctor needs. Nope. No way. Aint going to happen. Nothing is free. If you want your medical school paid for you are going to have to obligate yourself to service of some kind with the understanding that if you break the agreement you are compelled to reimburse whomever paid for all of your expenses related to medical school. Or, you can work for minimum wage the rest of your life. Your choice. 4. Catastrophic care taken care of by gov insurance. Why does the government need to be involved? Is the government going to pay for PMI too incase you default on your mortgage? They were confident that the nation's medical needs can be accomplished for much less money and with better results than is currently done. Many countries already do it. They made a lot of sense. But they seemed to be dedicated and ethical doctors. They weren't pols on the take for campaign contributions. Medical care is not a right. Medical care is not a right, but it should be. Are you ready to put your money where your ample mouth is. That's the trouble with you loonie lefties. You want someone else to pay for it. That's the trouble with assumptions made by unthinking people. I already have put my money down. I'm willing to put more and my time. What's your excuse? BULL****! |
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On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. |
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says... On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:12 -0400, Tosk wrote: Bull ****ing ****, see my last post.. Oh yeah, it doesn't fit your agenda so I must have heard it on Hannity, and of course I am more of a liar then JPS, Harry, Plume and the rest of them put together. I am so sick of this prejudice narrow minded bull**** from Obermann, and Maddow... The doctors (real doctors not a bunch of political operatives with white coats on) told me all about it the last time I was in, even suggested I do it myself... Stop being so led around by the ****ing nose, I am not a liar and I don't listen to Rush and Hannity, **** this it's useless to run around in circles proving stuff to you only to have you call it a lie cause you have been told it is by proven liars... Just a guess, you lost, or went without your meds. Not a chance. I have a 24 hour pharm right up the street and would never go without my meds, at least the beta blocker. I carry extra in the gear bag, car, and whenever I leave the house I bring an extra 48 hours supply. -- Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause |
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\"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty reputable... And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers. -- Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause |
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\"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Here is my "non-reputable" hospital.. snerk http://www.echn.org/about/news/relea...09§ion=210 &year=2009 -- Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause |
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On 10/31/09 6:41 PM, RLM wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:12 -0400, Tosk wrote: Bull ****ing ****, see my last post.. Oh yeah, it doesn't fit your agenda so I must have heard it on Hannity, and of course I am more of a liar then JPS, Harry, Plume and the rest of them put together. I am so sick of this prejudice narrow minded bull**** from Obermann, and Maddow... The doctors (real doctors not a bunch of political operatives with white coats on) told me all about it the last time I was in, even suggested I do it myself... Stop being so led around by the ****ing nose, I am not a liar and I don't listen to Rush and Hannity, **** this it's useless to run around in circles proving stuff to you only to have you call it a lie cause you have been told it is by proven liars... Just a guess, you lost, or went without your meds. His BFF is SW Tom. :) |
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On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote:
In , ""tj \"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty reputable... And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers. If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you. If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times, the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident? Oh...I know...the state will pay for it. This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF: "But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers." Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health insurance, s.f.b.? |
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On Oct 31, 7:24*pm, H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In , ""tj \"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty reputable... And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers. If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you. If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times, the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident? Oh...I know...the state will pay for it. This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF: "But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I * mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers." Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health insurance, s.f.b.? I don't talk to pedophiles... Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause |
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On 10/31/09 7:48 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 31, 7:24 pm, H the wrote: On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In , ""tj \"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty reputable... And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers. If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you. If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times, the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident? Oh...I know...the state will pay for it. This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF: "But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers." Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health insurance, s.f.b.? I don't talk to pedophiles... Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause I haven't been 5'10" since the fifth grade, **** for brains. And even that guy is taller than you are. I wonder if he spends his weekends in tents with underaged girls, as you do. You should contact him and ask. You two could trade tips. |
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On Oct 31, 7:54*pm, H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 7:48 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Oct 31, 7:24 pm, H the *wrote: On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In , ""tj \"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty reputable... And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers. If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you. If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times, the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident? Oh...I know...the state will pay for it. This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF: "But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I * *mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers." Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health insurance, s.f.b.? I don't talk to pedophiles... Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause I haven't been 5'10" since the fifth grade, **** for brains. And even that guy is taller than you are. I wonder if he spends his weekends in tents with underaged girls, as you do. You should contact him and ask. You two could trade tips. Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause |
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On 10/31/09 7:55 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 31, 7:54 pm, H the wrote: On 10/31/09 7:48 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Oct 31, 7:24 pm, H the wrote: On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote: In , ""tj \"@florida,com" says... H the K wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER. NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy. Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty reputable... And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers. If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you. If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times, the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident? Oh...I know...the state will pay for it. This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF: "But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers." Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health insurance, s.f.b.? I don't talk to pedophiles... Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause I haven't been 5'10" since the fifth grade, **** for brains. And even that guy is taller than you are. I wonder if he spends his weekends in tents with underaged girls, as you do. You should contact him and ask. You two could trade tips. Here is Harry Krause: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243 Harry Krause snerk The little freak is SW Tom's BFF here. Birds of a feather? |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:56:48 -0400, H the K
wrote: On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote: When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars for the next twenty years because I am not a thief... I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and you'd have to produce your driver's license. "Everybody does it" said Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc. |
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