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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:56:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
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On Nov 3, 1:43*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
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Where in that article does it say that global warming isn't happening
and is a scam?

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)

You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

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Quit now. There is scientific research to back that up, and a lot of
conservatives just don't like that. They just need a talking head to
tell them that that isn't the case.

Team up with the Plum. That'll help your credibility.

You just keep talking like there is only two people against it, this is
just not true. It is just plain stupid for laymen like us to
definitively say, "my scientists are right, yours are wrong". Here, at
least skim through this one..

http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462

Then, tell me "my scientists are better than yours.... It is not settled
science, even if "your" talking heads say so...

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)


You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.

Well, I guess somebody here was wrong, wonder if he can admit it like I
did the other day when I was wrong... This is gonna' be interesting.
Somehow I think these facts are going to be ignored... Next!?

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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:20:50 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:03:44 -0800, jps wrote:

We went to war with Saddam so Israel wouldn't attack them ... again.
(you do remember that?)

I remember that in the litany of excuses about why we were there.

I don't understand why you didn't pick any of the others?
WMD, drones, Winnebagos, Terrorist training camps, the poor trampled
Iraqi masses, mass graves, nuclear weapons materials, yellowcake,
tubes, etc.

Why isn't the big pool of oil under the country your focus. They knew
Saddam was hobbled. They knew the country would be taken over by Iran
if someone didn't fill the void first. Kissinger has been telling
every administration for four decades to go in and occupy the mid-east
so no one else gets their hands on that oil.


We had no problem getting our hands on that oil. Saddam was a willing
seller.
The best chance to get it at the cheapest price was to leave Saddam
there

They weren't convinced he could hold onto it. Doesn't matter if the
goose can lay golden eggs if you don't own the goose.

That pool was going to be up for grabs. Cheney and Bush had such a
stupid plan and stupid people surrounding them, they didn't bother to
think through how they were going to occupy the country and secure the
assets.

****in' idiots. Wolfowitz, Pearle, Rumsfeld, etc.

Cheney thought they'd be greeted as liberators. That cost us 4,000
lives and countless innocent Iraqis. Not to mention a huge pot of
gold.

It's laughable how the Republicans grouse about spending money on
health care when they couldn't wait to spill our borrowings in bullet,
bombs and blood.

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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:07:49 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:48:14 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:36:46 -0800, jps wrote:

Y2K scam that destroyed the chip industry?

I agree, Y2K was one of the best things that happened to the computer
industry. Lots of people who only needed a little software patch,
bought a new machine.
Most of them would have been just fine if they simply rebooted their
machine in the morning and set the date.

I knew folks close to the action at Microsoft and they were freaked
out that air guidance systems were going to crash.

I'm sure it was blown out of proportion and there was certainly a lot
of work generated for cobol and fortran programmers.

I did not know anyone at IBM who took it seriously at all. Certainly
there was a lot of code that had to be changed but only for people who
had not updated their system in the early 90s. When I retired in 1996
we had already done Y2K compliance in our systems as part of the
ISO9000 fad. The IBM AT system (286 PC) was Y2K compliant.
dBase IV also was and that was a 1991? program. I found the old PC a
while ago that I had on my desk when I retired and that has not run
since 1996. Just for grins I cranked up the mirror of my parts
inventory system I wrote in 1992 and it ran just fine when I plugged
in a part usage in 2009. It whined a little that I had that part
sitting stocked and unused for 13 years ;-)

I bet China made a mint with Al Gores first big hoax on America...

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:51:05 -0500, Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:36:46 -0800, jps wrote:

Y2K scam that destroyed the chip industry?

I agree, Y2K was one of the best things that happened to the computer
industry. Lots of people who only needed a little software patch,
bought a new machine.
Most of them would have been just fine if they simply rebooted their
machine in the morning and set the date.

The problem was, once everybody bought new computers at once, they
didn't need new ones for 2 1/2 to 3 years so the bubble was bound to
burst. I had one friend in the market heavy, I warned him to pull his
"bubble" stocks and he did, he was very grateful by the end of '02. Kind
of like the cash for clunkers is gonna' do or is doing to the car
industry.
The bubble had little to do with hardware. The stock bubble was
simply people betting on anything that had "dot com" in it's name.
Your Intel stock didn't get hurt at all (until the 9-11 crash) but
your "pets.com" stock went to zero.

I remember the computer manufacturers crying for business in the early
part of the decade.. Everyone had new computers, most businesses that I
dealt with at the time kept computers on line for an average of 3-4
years (non scientific guesstimate)... They were mostly cad-cam systems
just going from Token Ring to Ethernet...

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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:16:10 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:51:05 -0500, Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:36:46 -0800, jps wrote:

Y2K scam that destroyed the chip industry?

I agree, Y2K was one of the best things that happened to the computer
industry. Lots of people who only needed a little software patch,
bought a new machine.
Most of them would have been just fine if they simply rebooted their
machine in the morning and set the date.

The problem was, once everybody bought new computers at once, they
didn't need new ones for 2 1/2 to 3 years so the bubble was bound to
burst. I had one friend in the market heavy, I warned him to pull his
"bubble" stocks and he did, he was very grateful by the end of '02. Kind
of like the cash for clunkers is gonna' do or is doing to the car
industry.
The bubble had little to do with hardware. The stock bubble was
simply people betting on anything that had "dot com" in it's name.
Your Intel stock didn't get hurt at all (until the 9-11 crash) but
your "pets.com" stock went to zero.

An adroit analysis by The Freak. Cash for clunkers is going to cause
the bubble to burst in car sales.

Seems like that happened already, eh? Before cash for clunkers was
instituted. Do cars now have a 30 month lifespan, same as computers?

As you've pointed out, the bubble didn't have **** to do with hardware
sales. It was the inability of all that venture money to get traction
in each one of the stupid investments they made. Companies going
public before they had revenue or profits.

Dildos who ge their information exclusively from the right wing media
are bound to be rabidly misinformed.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:53:22 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:03:44 -0800, jps wrote:

As long as he
was just fighting with Iran we were in love with him.

The writing was on the wall. The embargos had weakened him. He was
on his knees and lots inside and out of his circle knew it. You think
neither the US nor Iran knew it? Don't fool yourself.


I don't think Saddam was all that worried about losing Iraq if we
didn't take it from him. The sanctions were falling apart and he was
selling lots of oil.
As we found out, he really had destroyed or hidden all of his WMD so
we were really running out of reasons to keep the sanctions going.
I agree GW was an idiot to go in there but I still think it had more
to do with Israel than any other thing.
We certainly did not want another Arab Israel war. There is no reason
to think that would be a 6 day affair this time, nor that it would
only involve Iraq. We might have unraveled everything Carter and those
since him had accomplished in Egypt, Saudi and the Emirates. Iran
might have even dived in on Iraq's side with the "enemy of my enemy"
philosophy. Israel was not going to beat a rebuilt Iraq/Iran/Egypt
axis without nuking someone. That is how WWIII is going to start.
.
If we sided with Israel in that war we really would have an oil
crisis. I am not even sure the Canadians would sell us oil.
We would lose most of Europe for sure. They were already backing away
from us in 1998-99.

If we are going to go to war for Israel, all I ask is we do it with
full disclosure to the American public.

What makes you think every oil producing country in the mid-east
doesn't believe we do Israel's bidding now?

I'm sorry. I agree with most of your analyses but this one doesn't
pass the sniff test. We're already assumed to be in bed with Israel.

We provide nearly all their weapons, exchange intelligence and train
for battlefield conditions with them. The veil is so thin as to be
transparent. The Arab nations aren't stupid.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:09:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:11:23 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:55:12 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)


You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.

Maybe it wasn't what was being produced contemporaneously, but what
had already been produced, distributed, stockpiled and leaking into
the air.


Freon is still being produced, stockpiled and leaked into the air.
That stuff that was already here in 1997 was still here and I bet less
than 10% of it ever got recycled. Most ended up being vented when the
garbage truck crushed the appliance. I know that is what happened to
my old AC unit. They made a big deal about the freon and how I had to
call for a special pickup, then a claw truck came by, grabbed it and
smashed it right there at the curb. They did the same thing to my old
fridge.
You sure can't say Montreal had anything to do with the ozone hole
closing up.
I fear "global warming" will be another thing just like that. How many
times do you respond to cries of "wolf"

But that's happening less frequently every day, since the day they
began winding down it's production from the peak.

With replacements available, the need for freon has declined.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:44:37 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:58:44 -0800, jps wrote:

We had no problem getting our hands on that oil. Saddam was a willing
seller.
The best chance to get it at the cheapest price was to leave Saddam
there

They weren't convinced he could hold onto it. Doesn't matter if the
goose can lay golden eggs if you don't own the goose.

That pool was going to be up for grabs. Cheney and Bush had such a
stupid plan and stupid people surrounding them, they didn't bother to
think through how they were going to occupy the country and secure the
assets.

****in' idiots. Wolfowitz, Pearle, Rumsfeld, etc.


You can't trick me into defending Bush and his gang of idiots but
there were other forces here who enabled them. Who were their biggest
democratic allies? Lieberman, Schumer and H. Clinton.

Lieberman and Schumer you can have, I'll toss in Murtha for frosting.
I'm not sure about Hilary.

Most of congress were relying on information they were getting through
the administration. I don't get the impression the Bush and Cheney
were playing straight.

Something about the words Wilson, Plame, yellowcake, aluminum tubes
and mushroom cloud...

Then there was the whole WMD thing where Rumsfeld said he knew exactly
where they were, "in and around Tikrit." I remember the news
conference like it was yesterday. I believed him. The cocksucker was
lying. They didn't know. He was just putting on a brave face and
hoping their hopeful intelligence proved correct. Whoops.

Then they went in without a plan to secure the country. Whoops.

They should all be in jail.

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:58:42 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

"And few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and
are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if
and when it comes."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/bu...nt/03gore.html

I guess it's easier for a liberal to pretend it's not a scam then to
admit to the possibility that he (or she) may have been wrong.

Just think. This is the *NEW YORK TIMES* publishing this, not the
Washington Times, Harry's favorite paper.


If global warming is nothing but a scam, how come there is SO much
scientific data that it is, indeed occuring?