On Nov 4, 9:38*am, NotNow wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:58:42 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

"And few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and
are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if
and when it comes."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/bu...ronment/03gore.....

I guess it's easier for a liberal to pretend it's not a scam then to
admit to the possibility that he (or she) may have been wrong.

Just think. This is the *NEW YORK TIMES* *publishing this, not the
Washington Times, Harry's favorite paper.

If global warming is nothing but a scam, how come there is SO much
scientific data that it is, indeed occuring?

Did you read this yet?
http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462
I have posted it several times.... Your scientists are no smarter than
"mine". And it is far from "settled science".

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:56:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Nov 3, 1:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Where in that article does it say that global warming isn't happening
and is a scam?
The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)
You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

--
Nom=de=Plume
Quit now. There is scientific research to back that up, and a lot of
conservatives just don't like that. They just need a talking head to
tell them that that isn't the case.

Team up with the Plum. That'll help your credibility.

Do you disagree with my statement that there are reams of research to
back up the claim that changing refrigerants has worked?

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:56:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Nov 3, 1:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Where in that article does it say that global warming isn't happening
and is a scam?
The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)
You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

--
Nom=de=Plume
Quit now. There is scientific research to back that up, and a lot of
conservatives just don't like that. They just need a talking head to
tell them that that isn't the case.

Team up with the Plum. That'll help your credibility.

Just keep negating anything and everything liberal. That'll help your
credibility.

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)

You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.


Cite?

In article ,
says...

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:56:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Nov 3, 1:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Where in that article does it say that global warming isn't happening
and is a scam?
The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)
You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

--
Nom=de=Plume
Quit now. There is scientific research to back that up, and a lot of
conservatives just don't like that. They just need a talking head to
tell them that that isn't the case.

Team up with the Plum. That'll help your credibility.

Do you disagree with my statement that there are reams of research to
back up the claim that changing refrigerants has worked?

Did you not read the articles? There is more now than back in the 70's,
how does that square with your theory?

--
Wafa free again.

In article ,
says...

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)

You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.


Cite?

He cited several times yesterday, where were you?

--
Wafa free again.

Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:56:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Nov 3, 1:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:24 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:
Where in that article does it say that global warming isn't happening
and is a scam?
The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)
You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

--
Nom=de=Plume
Quit now. There is scientific research to back that up, and a lot of
conservatives just don't like that. They just need a talking head to
tell them that that isn't the case.
Team up with the Plum. That'll help your credibility.

You just keep talking like there is only two people against it, this is
just not true. It is just plain stupid for laymen like us to
definitively say, "my scientists are right, yours are wrong". Here, at
least skim through this one..

http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462

Then, tell me "my scientists are better than yours.... It is not settled
science, even if "your" talking heads say so...


And there you go!! NOWHERE in that article do any scientists say that
global warming isn't happening.

Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)

You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.
What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.

Well, I guess somebody here was wrong, wonder if he can admit it like I
did the other day when I was wrong... This is gonna' be interesting.
Somehow I think these facts are going to be ignored... Next!?

Uh, the above is horse****.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:55:12 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)


You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.

She can't seem to understand the concept of a scam, and that the noble
Nobel folks are in it up to their eyeballs.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Nov 4, 9:38 am, NotNow wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:58:42 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"And few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and
are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if
and when it comes."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/bu...ronment/03gore....
I guess it's easier for a liberal to pretend it's not a scam then to
admit to the possibility that he (or she) may have been wrong.
Just think. This is the *NEW YORK TIMES* publishing this, not the
Washington Times, Harry's favorite paper.
If global warming is nothing but a scam, how come there is SO much
scientific data that it is, indeed occuring?

Did you read this yet?
http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462
I have posted it several times.... Your scientists are no smarter than
"mine". And it is far from "settled science".

Show me where in that article where any scientist has claimed global
warming isn't happening.