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Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:29 -0500, NotNow wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:54:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Nov 5, 8:52 am, Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...



On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:50:40 -0500, BAR wrote:
The ozone hole gets bigger and the ozone hole gets smaller. All you have
to do is to take your measurements at the time of year that best
supports your conclusion.
We didn't even know there was an ozone layer until the early 20th
century and we didn't really have a good way to measure it until we
had satellites so we don't have a clue whether holes are normal and
how they act.
So then, how do we know it's us that are causing the fluctuation, could
it just be normal like the re-disbursement of temperatures on the
earth...

--
Wafa free again.
Simple. The ozone layer deteriorated faster where the highest
concentrations of particulates in the air were.

cite?

Are you saying that the most freon was vented in Antarctica? You would
think it would be over North America or at least the northern
hemisphere if freon was the cause.
The fact that the hole closed up and freon didn't stop being released
sort of debunks the whole theory.
As I said before, virtually all freon eventually leaks out. That is
why most systems get repaired or replaced. There is no reason to think
releases have dropped in the last 30 years.
WHOOOOSH.........

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5149840...one-layer.html

Which states in part:
The most widely known damage to the ozone layer from CFCs is the ozone
hole over the Antarctic continent, first discovered in the 1980s.
Contrary to its name, the ozone hole is not actually a hole in the ozone
layer but is a thinning of the layer itself. The ozone layer has also
been found to be damaged over industrialized areas and throughout most
of the world. As the damaging effects of CFCs continue to be studied,
measures are being taken to limit or ban the use of CFCs in order to
protect the ozone from further damage.

Did you notice the part about "damaged over industrialized areas...." or
just choose to ignore that?

What! Theres more!

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_is_the...eing_destroyed

Which states in part:
Chlorine and chlorine-based compounds, create a surface on which ozone
can be broken apart or destroyed. This is mainly why CFC's
(chloro-fluoro-carbons) were banned by law, because they destroyed
ozone. Note that the prefix chloro is in chloro-fluoro-carbons, meaning
that the reason ozone was destroyed by CFC's was due to the fact that
CFC's were chlorine-based compounds.

And many, many more!

But if the Chinese and Indians continued to produce and lose freon for
the last 30 years, along with plenty we made, how did the hole get
better if freon causes it?

Are you saying it was simply having a toothless treaty that did it?

Yes, words are everything. All you have to do is say it, and it's true
and settled... Don't bother me with opposing facts or I will call you an
entertainer, and pass laws to stifle your speech... Like threatening
insurance companies during the health care debate...

Yep, there you go, forgo good science in favor of what the RNC tells you.

The exact same could be said for you...

http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462

Ignore the science in favor of what the DNC tells you.

--
Wafa free again.

BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
But if the Chinese and Indians continued to produce and lose freon for
the last 30 years, along with plenty we made, how did the hole get
better if freon causes it?

Are you saying it was simply having a toothless treaty that did it?
Yes, words are everything. All you have to do is say it, and it's true
and settled... Don't bother me with opposing facts or I will call you an
entertainer, and pass laws to stifle your speech... Like threatening
insurance companies during the health care debate...

I can see it now. A liberal waving a Treaty saying "but we have a signed
treaty." As the opposing country's army shoots him dead.

Reminds me of the lad and his mom walking in a parking lot the other
day. The lad starts crossing a right of way and his mom yells out watch
where you are going. He yells back "This is a cross walk. I have the
right of way" just as a car zooms by right in front of his nose. He'll
make a fine liberal when/if he grows up. He kind of reminded me of our
friend Plum.

Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...
Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:29 -0500, NotNow wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:54:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Nov 5, 8:52 am, Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...



On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:50:40 -0500, BAR wrote:
The ozone hole gets bigger and the ozone hole gets smaller. All you have
to do is to take your measurements at the time of year that best
supports your conclusion.
We didn't even know there was an ozone layer until the early 20th
century and we didn't really have a good way to measure it until we
had satellites so we don't have a clue whether holes are normal and
how they act.
So then, how do we know it's us that are causing the fluctuation, could
it just be normal like the re-disbursement of temperatures on the
earth...

--
Wafa free again.
Simple. The ozone layer deteriorated faster where the highest
concentrations of particulates in the air were.
cite?

Are you saying that the most freon was vented in Antarctica? You would
think it would be over North America or at least the northern
hemisphere if freon was the cause.
The fact that the hole closed up and freon didn't stop being released
sort of debunks the whole theory.
As I said before, virtually all freon eventually leaks out. That is
why most systems get repaired or replaced. There is no reason to think
releases have dropped in the last 30 years.
WHOOOOSH.........

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5149840...one-layer.html

Which states in part:
The most widely known damage to the ozone layer from CFCs is the ozone
hole over the Antarctic continent, first discovered in the 1980s.
Contrary to its name, the ozone hole is not actually a hole in the ozone
layer but is a thinning of the layer itself. The ozone layer has also
been found to be damaged over industrialized areas and throughout most
of the world. As the damaging effects of CFCs continue to be studied,
measures are being taken to limit or ban the use of CFCs in order to
protect the ozone from further damage.

Did you notice the part about "damaged over industrialized areas...." or
just choose to ignore that?

What! Theres more!

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_is_the...eing_destroyed

Which states in part:
Chlorine and chlorine-based compounds, create a surface on which ozone
can be broken apart or destroyed. This is mainly why CFC's
(chloro-fluoro-carbons) were banned by law, because they destroyed
ozone. Note that the prefix chloro is in chloro-fluoro-carbons, meaning
that the reason ozone was destroyed by CFC's was due to the fact that
CFC's were chlorine-based compounds.

And many, many more!
But if the Chinese and Indians continued to produce and lose freon for
the last 30 years, along with plenty we made, how did the hole get
better if freon causes it?

Are you saying it was simply having a toothless treaty that did it?
Yes, words are everything. All you have to do is say it, and it's true
and settled... Don't bother me with opposing facts or I will call you an
entertainer, and pass laws to stifle your speech... Like threatening
insurance companies during the health care debate...

Yep, there you go, forgo good science in favor of what the RNC tells you.

The exact same could be said for you...

http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462

Ignore the science in favor of what the DNC tells you.


Please, do show me....where in that article does it say that global
warming is not happening. Then show me in that article where it says
that man has NO contribution to global warming. I'll be waiting.