nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent
products that people want to buy?


They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs.

-S

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work
and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs
them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize
the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers
would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self
respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be
slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the
rest.

-S

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?


What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

-S

"Stevie" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?


They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs.

-S


I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If
management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate
that with the unions.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?


What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

-S


Ask the "chief" union guy around here.

On Nov 3, 8:19*pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
*wrote in message
....
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John *wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

*wrote:
*wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. *Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. *Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? *Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while
trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees.
They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their
impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers.

In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or
"strong-arm tactics". It's illegal.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent
products that people want to buy?

Given your average pay cheque is now subsidising GM, Obama Government
Motors, people don't have as much money for vehicles.

Ford should simply say this is the wage and benefits, screw the union,
decertify or we will move elsewhere. Close a plant not making money
this month just as a warning and example.

And if big mouth BO opens his trap, ask him publically if he wants the
jobs ot BS?

Ford should be looking at moving offshore permanently anyway.
Liberalism, politics, corruption, unions and BS in America isn't going
to end soon. China is going to economically walk right over USA
manufacturing that doesn't get it's crap in order PDQ.

Just heard China has a 431 mph Maglev super train, 7 minutes and 20
seconds for 30 miles at a billion dollars. And they are expanding. A
single car can move 20 tons. Makes US rail look like neandrathals in
the mud.

Now it Obama corruption and bailout spending, combined with middle east
war went to American made super trains at $1B per mile, hell, you could
easily have a super train from NY city to LA! It would even employ
Americans to build it! But oh no, American bull**** politics has better
ideas with its debt spend.

Amazing how few politicians are doing anything to stop the decline of
the US. Yet so many are pushing right for it.

Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

That is just looney talk. Do you want Ford to go the route of Government
Motors?

How many trillions can the governmetn debt-spend before the US economy
looks like Iceland or Zimbabwe?

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they
are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?

Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to
renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work
and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs
them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize
the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers
would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self
respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be
slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the
rest.

I am with you on the unions, but don't forget management. Move the
corporate offices to China or tax friendly offshore. Have USA as a
seperate company. Hire a crack ace CEO from China for 1/10th the price
and works 10 times smarter and 10 times harder. Develop the Asia
markets to be good enough they can close up manufacturing in the USA.
Dump Ford USA into Obama's lap and say it isn't our problem any more.