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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

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They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off.

They should... Why do guys get 75 dollars an hour to run a computerized
screwdriver?

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Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

That is just looney talk. Do you want Ford to go the route of Government
Motors?

How many trillions can the governmetn debt-spend before the US economy
looks like Iceland or Zimbabwe?


No idea. Would you like to give us a number? I'll forward it to Geitner for
you. lol

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"Stevie" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and
dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them.
Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard
workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land
right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They
are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who
just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

-S


I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's
not going to happen any time soon.

As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the
terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out
will work?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.


They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work
and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs
them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize
the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would
land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect.
They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers
who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

I am with you on the unions, but don't forget management. Move the
corporate offices to China or tax friendly offshore. Have USA as a
seperate company. Hire a crack ace CEO from China for 1/10th the price
and works 10 times smarter and 10 times harder. Develop the Asia markets
to be good enough they can close up manufacturing in the USA. Dump Ford
USA into Obama's lap and say it isn't our problem any more.


Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

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Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than
they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?

Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You?

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"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off.


Absolutely. They can. In the past, many companies have done that. There are,
of course, consequences.

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On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"





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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars
or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?


What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place.

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"Jack" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

wrote:
wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

lol lol

Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.

Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.

I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the
cars or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.

It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of
hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in
it for the cause?

Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while
trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees.
They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their
impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers.

In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or
"strong-arm tactics". It's illegal.


Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free
to email Fitzgerald.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol


Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution.

I did. When I knew GM was going under I bought Ford @2 to $2.25, sold it
all at $6.50 for a nice ROI. Ok, I lost out, it went to $7 but you never
get burned taking a profit.

This is a spectacular money making opportunity of a lifetime. The
volitility, amazing. Must thank the Lib-Dims for the massive bank and
currency debt and keeping the ponzi scheme going. But now, looking at
cashing out of USA. The big currency drop is ramping up.

We're all happy you made out ok.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?

They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs.

-S


I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If
management wants something more from the unions, then they need to
negotiate that with the unions.

Or just don't negotiate. Say this is how it is, take it or leave it. No
contract until the equity is twice that of debt.

Want to argue? Which plant are your from? Lockout and shut it down.

If Obama calls, tell big mouh to hire them himself.


Certainly an option. I believe this has been done previously. It didn't turn
out that well for the company, but what the hey, those who don't remember
the past are doomed to repeat it.

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