nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.


Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very
point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the
majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I
suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get
the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while
they skim the moneys.


Please show me where in the legislation from either House or Senate that
proposes "nationalizing" the healthcare. You can't because that's just a
fear-based line of bs from the far right.

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very
point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the
majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I
suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get
the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while
they skim the moneys.


Please show me where in the legislation from either House or Senate that
proposes "nationalizing" the healthcare. You can't because that's just a
fear-based line of bs from the far right.

He who controls the money controls the business. If the money goes to
the government, and government decides service levels and the take, are
you sure you will be happy?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by
2015.
Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell,
if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it.
But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax
grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice
levels while they skim the moneys.


Please show me where in the legislation from either House or Senate that
proposes "nationalizing" the healthcare. You can't because that's just a
fear-based line of bs from the far right.

He who controls the money controls the business. If the money goes to the
government, and government decides service levels and the take, are you
sure you will be happy?


As I said, you can't because it doesn't exist.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

jps wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.
Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

At least once it is bothched, like GM and GMAC, we can say we told you
so. But unfortunately reversing such a trend, hard to do. Government
gets a taste of all that money is going to be hard to reverse.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can have?
The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can have?
The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back
room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED
UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The
Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and
curing a depression first.

?? Most of this is total wacko stuff... but I guess you think 45K dead every
year from lack of healthcare is ok.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

"jps" wrote in message
...

Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

What happened to that open government stuff. Where bills would be up for
reading and analysis for 5 days before a vote?