"jps" wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:12:23 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

OK, I understand throwing the whole Magilla at you is a little
overwhelming.

Let's start with the two points above.

People don't want the "government" tell them what to do... As if
private health insurance doesn't wield that sword? Have you been
paying attention to all the folks who are dropped, can't get the
companies to cover claims, taking forever to reimburse?

To your second point. Most medicare processing is done by private
industry. Are you suggesting using prison labor or Haitians?

As I said, when you can do an intelligible response get back to us.

Bill McKee wrote:
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed
their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making
it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work
left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es
me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so
be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.
The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.
Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?
Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.
Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back
room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP
laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds
should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.
Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?
jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush
invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with
resonable debates: kiss my ass!
I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was
messed up.

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Nom=de=Plume


I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was
perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look
what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the
bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after
the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches.


The Plum wants to know what "Bush did with actual compassionate
results". ??????????

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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Maybe in Maryland. Hell a majority of the babies delivered at San Diego
hospitals are illegals kids. Los Angeles spent $50 million on welfare
benefits, most on illegals in just one month this year.


You should be thinking of that when you're crusin' for cheap labour in those
'shape-up lines' behind Home Depot

On 11/10/09 10:13 AM, Don White wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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Maybe in Maryland. Hell a majority of the babies delivered at San Diego
hospitals are illegals kids. Los Angeles spent $50 million on welfare
benefits, most on illegals in just one month this year.


You should be thinking of that when you're crusin' for cheap labour in those
'shape-up lines' behind Home Depot




Illegals' kids? Ahh...but born in the USA. Legal kids.


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or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to
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Don White wrote:
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Maybe in Maryland. Hell a majority of the babies delivered at San Diego
hospitals are illegals kids. Los Angeles spent $50 million on welfare
benefits, most on illegals in just one month this year.


You should be thinking of that when you're crusin' for cheap labour in those
'shape-up lines' behind Home Depot


If that were so, I'm sure that the cheap labor would be grateful for the
opportunity to work for under the table monies.
It's not everybody that gets to spend 32 years on the bottle capping
line at the Royal CROWN CORPORATION.
Have a nice day Dummy.

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:05:49 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:38:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:09:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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?? Most of this is total wacko stuff... but I guess you think 45K dead
every
year from lack of healthcare is ok.


That isn't really that bad.

2.381,264 died with health care!
Statistically they may actually be doing the best.

(total dead 2,426,264 source CDC)
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm


It's pretty bad. In fact, lowering costs includes removing some of the
things that cause the errors that contribute to that total.


You gave us a BS statistic. what is 47,000? the number of dead who
didn't have insurance? (that is a 42,000,000 pool if you believe the
current buzz)
If so the difference in outcome between them and the 2.23 million who
died with insurance is within the margin or error in numbers like
this.
The point is people die, with insurance or not. If medical insurance
only contributes a couple percent to your chances, it is vastly
overrated.
If you want to start analysing those 47000 deaths and find out how
many came in DOA from accidents, gunshots, drug ODs and other mayhem
we might even close that gap.


I'm sorry if you don't believe the Mayo Clinic's estimate.

I didn't deny the statistic. I only ask what is in it (how did these
people die) and point out it is statistically insignificant in the 2.4
million deaths annually anyway.
It is about the same outcome you have from the insured.

Saying being uninsured killed 47000 people means about as much as
saying living in California killed 257,000 people last year.



I think you need to look at the methodology..

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:08:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that
was
messed up.


The AIDS in Africa actually was pretty successful. I am not sure that
is any more messed up than anything we ever did in Africa.
It was sure better than Clinton's Somalia or Sudan adventures.


Not sure what Somalia/Sudan conflicts have to do with the AIDS program,
but
whatever.
Just a comparison on the two presidents experiences in Africa.


It was highly restrictive and promoted abstinence as the only for of
prevention.

There was also a lot of money for treatment and pressure on drug
companies to provide cheap drug cocktails.



Yes, that was the good part for sure.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed
their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making
it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work
left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es
me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.


Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so
be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a
hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back
room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP
laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds
should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush
invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with
resonable debates: kiss my ass!

I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was
messed up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was
perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look
what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed
the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well
after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent
searches.

Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia... we
did a lot of good there. Do you deny that?

It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ... more
than anyone else.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:34:32 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:12:23 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

OK, I understand throwing the whole Magilla at you is a little
overwhelming.

Let's start with the two points above.

People don't want the "government" tell them what to do... As if
private health insurance doesn't wield that sword? Have you been
paying attention to all the folks who are dropped, can't get the
companies to cover claims, taking forever to reimburse?

To your second point. Most medicare processing is done by private
industry. Are you suggesting using prison labor or Haitians?

As I said, when you can do an intelligible response get back to us.

You've got no balls Bill. You can't argue the points so you turn tail
and run.

Got your number, old turd.

Your ego is all wrapped up in winning but, unfortunately, you're on
the wrong side. Good luck with your new party affiliation.

Libertarian, were guverment cant do nothin rite.

On 11/10/09 2:55 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:34:32 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:12:23 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

OK, I understand throwing the whole Magilla at you is a little
overwhelming.

Let's start with the two points above.

People don't want the "government" tell them what to do... As if
private health insurance doesn't wield that sword? Have you been
paying attention to all the folks who are dropped, can't get the
companies to cover claims, taking forever to reimburse?

To your second point. Most medicare processing is done by private
industry. Are you suggesting using prison labor or Haitians?

As I said, when you can do an intelligible response get back to us.

You've got no balls Bill. You can't argue the points so you turn tail
and run.

Got your number, old turd.

Your ego is all wrapped up in winning but, unfortunately, you're on
the wrong side. Good luck with your new party affiliation.

Libertarian, were guverment cant do nothin rite.


That would be Loonitarian. Loonitarians are Republicans who want even
less responsibility.





--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to
*communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among
the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice,
simple-minded day.