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... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:njfff59qq8ngiskkbtv3qja8df9lv7c9e3@4 ax.com... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform. Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health care reform. Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit. Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare. But do they want the government telling them what services they can have? Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the profit making health care business? The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by private industry? And ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a depression first. Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped by medical costs is a good investment? Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our economic feet but it's up there. Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent? jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with resonable debates: kiss my ass! I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was messed up. -- Nom=de=Plume I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches. Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia... we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that? It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ... more than anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our men for nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to interfere. And Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for 600 years. Let Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their playground. How many billions we waste there? And we are still there. Bush promoted the clusterfk, but ok. Somalia was a mistake, but thousands of our troops didn't die. "any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind"). We saved lives in Bosnia, and it was necessary to "interfere" in ethnic cleansing. We should have intervened in Rwanda and we should intervene in Darfur. Don't forget that WW2 started in the region. -- Nom=de=Plume Why should we interfere in Bosnia because of ethic cleansing? Ruwanda was a lot better place to interfere. Bosnia has had Albanians cleansing Serbs and Serbs cleansing Albanians for centuries. But the Albanians seem to have the upper hand in all the years. They ran death camps for the NAZI and even some of the Germans were grossed out by the gusto that they went about the job. Are we the police department for Europe? Besides the second question (answer is no), I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We saved lives there. The intervention worked. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:16:05 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:44:40 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:njfff59qq8ngiskkbtv3qja8df9lv7c9e3@4 ax.com... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform. Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health care reform. Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit. Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare. But do they want the government telling them what services they can have? Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the profit making health care business? The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by private industry? And ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a depression first. Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped by medical costs is a good investment? Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our economic feet but it's up there. Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent? jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with resonable debates: kiss my ass! I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was messed up. -- Nom=de=Plume I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches. Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia... we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that? It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ... more than anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our men for nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to interfere. And Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for 600 years. Let Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their playground. How many billions we waste there? And we are still there. Please tell us how many billions we've wasted in Bosnia. Then tell us how many billions it takes to make a trillion x 3. Can you say several orders of magnitude? A billion hear a billion there, and you are talking real money. How many billions has Obama overspent in the last 10 months? What's wrong, don't want to answer the question? Facts in context reveal some nasty truths don't they? Bosnia is a drop in the very large bucket that Bush opened up to pay for Iraq. |
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... On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:14:54 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Why should we interfere in Bosnia because of ethic cleansing? Ruwanda was a lot better place to interfere. It is quite simple, Bosnians look like us. They put a few pictures of European kids with big brown eyes on the news and we wanted to go rescue them When they put those pictures of African kids with flies on them, on TV we just send Sally Struthers a few bucks and feel lucky we don't have to go there. Certainly true. Regrettable, but true. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:35:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Somalia was a mistake, but thousands of our troops didn't die. That is because it was only black people being killed there and nobody cared about them. It was real easy for Clinton to get out immediately. Especially given the political climate in the US at the time. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
... "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:44:40 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:njfff59qq8ngiskkbtv3qja8df9lv7c9e3@4 ax.com... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform. Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health care reform. Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit. Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare. But do they want the government telling them what services they can have? Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the profit making health care business? The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by private industry? And ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a depression first. Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped by medical costs is a good investment? Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our economic feet but it's up there. Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent? jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with resonable debates: kiss my ass! I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was messed up. -- Nom=de=Plume I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches. Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia... we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that? It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ... more than anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our men for nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to interfere. And Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for 600 years. Let Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their playground. How many billions we waste there? And we are still there. Please tell us how many billions we've wasted in Bosnia. Then tell us how many billions it takes to make a trillion x 3. Can you say several orders of magnitude? A billion hear a billion there, and you are talking real money. How many billions has Obama overspent in the last 10 months? Some for sure... can't be helped really. Not nearly as much as Bush wasted in his administration. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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![]() "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "H the K" wrote in message m... On 11/10/09 10:13 AM, Don White wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... Maybe in Maryland. Hell a majority of the babies delivered at San Diego hospitals are illegals kids. Los Angeles spent $50 million on welfare benefits, most on illegals in just one month this year. You should be thinking of that when you're crusin' for cheap labour in those 'shape-up lines' behind Home Depot Illegals' kids? Ahh...but born in the USA. Legal kids. And the kids should not be given legal status. If they're born in the US, their citizens. Been that way a fairly long time. ![]() -- Nom=de=Plume See my other reply. Not sure who you mean by "they." It's a pretty straightforward legal status. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_a_chi...born_in_the_US -- Nom=de=Plume No, even some politicians are questioning if someone here illegally can give birth to a citizen. Needs to be adjudicated. |
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![]() "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:njfff59qq8ngiskkbtv3qja8df9lv7c9e3@ 4ax.com... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform. Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health care reform. Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit. Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare. But do they want the government telling them what services they can have? Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the profit making health care business? The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by private industry? And ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a depression first. Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped by medical costs is a good investment? Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our economic feet but it's up there. Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent? jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with resonable debates: kiss my ass! I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was messed up. -- Nom=de=Plume I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches. Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia... we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that? It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ... more than anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our men for nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to interfere. And Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for 600 years. Let Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their playground. How many billions we waste there? And we are still there. Bush promoted the clusterfk, but ok. Somalia was a mistake, but thousands of our troops didn't die. "any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind"). We saved lives in Bosnia, and it was necessary to "interfere" in ethnic cleansing. We should have intervened in Rwanda and we should intervene in Darfur. Don't forget that WW2 started in the region. -- Nom=de=Plume Why should we interfere in Bosnia because of ethic cleansing? Ruwanda was a lot better place to interfere. Bosnia has had Albanians cleansing Serbs and Serbs cleansing Albanians for centuries. But the Albanians seem to have the upper hand in all the years. They ran death camps for the NAZI and even some of the Germans were grossed out by the gusto that they went about the job. Are we the police department for Europe? Besides the second question (answer is no), I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We saved lives there. The intervention worked. -- Nom=de=Plume Did we save lives? Maybe. They are still killing Serbs now that Bosnia is non serb. Still not our place to go in. If you argue it is because of ethnic cleansing, then you have to say Iraq is a good war, and we should be there. Saddam was trying to ethnic cleanse Kurds. |
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![]() "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:16:05 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:44:40 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:njfff59qq8ngiskkbtv3qja8df9lv7c9e3@ 4ax.com... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform. Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health care reform. Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit. Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare. But do they want the government telling them what services they can have? Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the profit making health care business? The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry. Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by private industry? And ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a depression first. Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped by medical costs is a good investment? Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our economic feet but it's up there. Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent? jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with resonable debates: kiss my ass! I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was messed up. -- Nom=de=Plume I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches. Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia... we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that? It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ... more than anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our men for nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to interfere. And Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for 600 years. Let Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their playground. How many billions we waste there? And we are still there. Please tell us how many billions we've wasted in Bosnia. Then tell us how many billions it takes to make a trillion x 3. Can you say several orders of magnitude? A billion hear a billion there, and you are talking real money. How many billions has Obama overspent in the last 10 months? What's wrong, don't want to answer the question? Facts in context reveal some nasty truths don't they? Bosnia is a drop in the very large bucket that Bush opened up to pay for Iraq. If it does not matter how much Bosnia costs. then you have to ignore the financials of Iraq. Both are wars, and both cost lots of money, and both are places we most likely should have not gone. I realize you are blind in your partisanship. |
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