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![]() "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. What happened to that open government stuff. Where bills would be up for reading and analysis for 5 days before a vote? I believe it's been up for 72 hours (3 days). I believe the 5-day thing was for the stim. bill. -- Nom=de=Plume The 5 days was mister Change's promise on all bills. And 72 hours for a 2500 page bill? |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. Please show me where in the legislation from either House or Senate that proposes "nationalizing" the healthcare. You can't because that's just a fear-based line of bs from the far right. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. What happened to that open government stuff. Where bills would be up for reading and analysis for 5 days before a vote? I believe it's been up for 72 hours (3 days). I believe the 5-day thing was for the stim. bill. -- Nom=de=Plume The 5 days was mister Change's promise on all bills. And 72 hours for a 2500 page bill? Do you think you could read the 2000 page bill in five days? I might be able to, but it would be a full time job. Feel free to show me where Obama proposed five days for "all" bills. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:15:17 -0800, nom=de=plume wrote:
The 5 days was mister Change's promise on all bills. And 72 hours for a 2500 page bill? Do you think you could read the 2000 page bill in five days? I might be able to, but it would be a full time job. Feel free to show me where Obama proposed five days for "all" bills. Bill has it right, and wrong. Obama promised 5 days before he would *sign* them. Obama doesn't control when they get voted on. Still, it's a broken promise, one of his seven. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ore-signing-b/ |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform. Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health care reform. Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit. |
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:05:23 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: H the K wrote: On 11/8/09 1:53 AM, jps wrote: Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. Naturally, except for one congressman, the GOP was the party of NO. Simple solution: Republicans without health care insurance shouldn't be allowed to get any of the benefits of health care reform. Of course, that means our boy Just Hate will still not have health insurance. I bet many a republican would opt out if they could. As long as they don't have to pay any part of the governmetns ploy in grabing more taxes, they can then afford private insurance. But that is why they don't want to give you a choice. It is heading towards becoming a major source of government income. Obama-Congress debt spending needs to be paid. I suspect it is a good time to liquidate US holdings. Yes, time to invest in the Chinese stock market. Go for it. |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:05:23 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: H the K wrote: On 11/8/09 1:53 AM, jps wrote: Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. Naturally, except for one congressman, the GOP was the party of NO. Simple solution: Republicans without health care insurance shouldn't be allowed to get any of the benefits of health care reform. Of course, that means our boy Just Hate will still not have health insurance. I bet many a republican would opt out if they could. As long as they don't have to pay any part of the governmetns ploy in grabing more taxes, they can then afford private insurance. But that is why they don't want to give you a choice. It is heading towards becoming a major source of government income. Obama-Congress debt spending needs to be paid. I suspect it is a good time to liquidate US holdings. Yes, time to invest in the Chinese stock market. Go for it. That would certainly be foolish by itself. It's good to have diversity in one's investment. I don't have exclusive domestic investments, but my international portfolio is rather modest. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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t... On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:15:17 -0800, nom=de=plume wrote: The 5 days was mister Change's promise on all bills. And 72 hours for a 2500 page bill? Do you think you could read the 2000 page bill in five days? I might be able to, but it would be a full time job. Feel free to show me where Obama proposed five days for "all" bills. Bill has it right, and wrong. Obama promised 5 days before he would *sign* them. Obama doesn't control when they get voted on. Still, it's a broken promise, one of his seven. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ore-signing-b/ Ok. Well, I guess I and Bill were half right. To err is human to forgive devine (Alexander Pope) -- Nom=de=Plume |
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jps wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:05:23 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: H the K wrote: On 11/8/09 1:53 AM, jps wrote: Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. Naturally, except for one congressman, the GOP was the party of NO. Simple solution: Republicans without health care insurance shouldn't be allowed to get any of the benefits of health care reform. Of course, that means our boy Just Hate will still not have health insurance. I bet many a republican would opt out if they could. As long as they don't have to pay any part of the governmetns ploy in grabing more taxes, they can then afford private insurance. But that is why they don't want to give you a choice. It is heading towards becoming a major source of government income. Obama-Congress debt spending needs to be paid. I suspect it is a good time to liquidate US holdings. Yes, time to invest in the Chinese stock market. Go for it. I was thinking Brazil. Already have some China ... |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their version of Health Care Reform. Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed. All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's worth the investment have my sympathy. One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off. Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015. ![]() Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue. Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down survice levels while they skim the moneys. Please show me where in the legislation from either House or Senate that proposes "nationalizing" the healthcare. You can't because that's just a fear-based line of bs from the far right. He who controls the money controls the business. If the money goes to the government, and government decides service levels and the take, are you sure you will be happy? |
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