On 11/9/09 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:22:32 -0800, wrote:

One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Interesting analysis of the votes:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ote.html?hp?hp


Those are really republicans who just wear democrat suits.
I think there are a lot of those, certainly 38 anyway. Dennis K is the
only one that confused me. I wonder what got up his nose about this.


He thinks it is a weak bill that will only further enrich the health
insurers. He's right, but it is a start.


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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed
their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making
it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work
left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es
me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.


Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so
be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a
hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare. But do they want the government telling them what services
they can have? The government has never run anything cheaper than
private
industry. And ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short
time
in the back room and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to
those ****ED UP laws that the unintended consequences are worse than
the
cure. The Feds should be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting
spending and curing a depression first.

?? Most of this is total wacko stuff... but I guess you think 45K dead
every year from lack of healthcare is ok.

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They show up at any hospital and they get treated.


That is such a crock of ****. Try getting that sort of treatment for a
serious, chronic condition...

Another ill-informed, right-wing asshole.

Maybe in Maryland. Hell a majority of the babies delivered at San Diego
hospitals are illegals kids. Los Angeles spent $50 million on welfare
benefits, most on illegals in just one month this year.

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work
left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back
room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP
laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush
invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with resonable
debates: kiss my ass!

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:09:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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?? Most of this is total wacko stuff... but I guess you think 45K dead
every
year from lack of healthcare is ok.


That isn't really that bad.

2.381,264 died with health care!
Statistically they may actually be doing the best.

(total dead 2,426,264 source CDC)
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm


It's pretty bad. In fact, lowering costs includes removing some of the
things that cause the errors that contribute to that total.

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed
their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work
left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es
me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.


Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so
be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back
room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP
laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds
should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush
invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with
resonable debates: kiss my ass!

I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was
messed up.

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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:47:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

What happened to that open government stuff. Where bills would be up
for
reading and analysis for 5 days before a vote?

I believe it's been up for 72 hours (3 days). I believe the 5-day thing
was
for the stim. bill.


You couldn't really read that document in 3 weeks. Not if you actually
wanted to understand all the other things referenced in it.


It's even worse than that... the language is modified to be in
legislative-ease, so that it can be legally accurate. It's very difficult to
decifer it at that point.


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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:12:23 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

OK, I understand throwing the whole Magilla at you is a little
overwhelming.

Let's start with the two points above.

People don't want the "government" tell them what to do... As if
private health insurance doesn't wield that sword? Have you been
paying attention to all the folks who are dropped, can't get the
companies to cover claims, taking forever to reimburse?

To your second point. Most medicare processing is done by private
industry. Are you suggesting using prison labor or Haitians?

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:38:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:09:43 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

?? Most of this is total wacko stuff... but I guess you think 45K dead
every
year from lack of healthcare is ok.


That isn't really that bad.

2.381,264 died with health care!
Statistically they may actually be doing the best.

(total dead 2,426,264 source CDC)
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm


It's pretty bad. In fact, lowering costs includes removing some of the
things that cause the errors that contribute to that total.


You gave us a BS statistic. what is 47,000? the number of dead who
didn't have insurance? (that is a 42,000,000 pool if you believe the
current buzz)
If so the difference in outcome between them and the 2.23 million who
died with insurance is within the margin or error in numbers like
this.
The point is people die, with insurance or not. If medical insurance
only contributes a couple percent to your chances, it is vastly
overrated.
If you want to start analysing those 47000 deaths and find out how
many came in DOA from accidents, gunshots, drug ODs and other mayhem
we might even close that gap.


I'm sorry if you don't believe the Mayo Clinic's estimate.

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:40:17 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was
messed up.


The AIDS in Africa actually was pretty successful. I am not sure that
is any more messed up than anything we ever did in Africa.
It was sure better than Clinton's Somalia or Sudan adventures.


Not sure what Somalia/Sudan conflicts have to do with the AIDS program, but
whatever.

It was highly restrictive and promoted abstinence as the only for of
prevention.

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed
their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history making
it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of work
left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That ****es
me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by 2015.


Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care, so
be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the back
room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED UP
laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds
should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because Bush
invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up with
resonable debates: kiss my ass!

I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that was
messed up.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything was
perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in Bosnia, look
what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the
bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after
the 1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent searches.