On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:51:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.
--

John H


Some people don't know what they're talking about, but don't let me stop you
from talking.

Why the hell am I paying to kill Iraqi and Afghani civilians?

Why am I paying for Blackwater to be in Iraq and Afghanistan?

What portion of my taxes were used to run Abu Ghraib?

How much did Gitmo cost? What portion of the prisoners there were
innocent men, women and children picked up in sweeps?

How much did it cost to torture people in Gitmo and other CIA-run
locations?

How much did I pay to have Halliburton serve food and provide shoddy
contracting services and gas for $10/gallon?

Why the hell am I paying for this???

On 11/11/09 5:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:51:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.
--

John H


Some people don't know what they're talking about, but don't let me stop you
from talking.

Why the hell am I paying to kill Iraqi and Afghani civilians?

Why am I paying for Blackwater to be in Iraq and Afghanistan?

What portion of my taxes were used to run Abu Ghraib?

How much did Gitmo cost? What portion of the prisoners there were
innocent men, women and children picked up in sweeps?

How much did it cost to torture people in Gitmo and other CIA-run
locations?

How much did I pay to have Halliburton serve food and provide shoddy
contracting services and gas for $10/gallon?

Why the hell am I paying for this???



You also are paying for herring's pension.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to
*communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among
the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice,
simple-minded day.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:10:35 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/11/09 5:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:51:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.
--

John H


Some people don't know what they're talking about, but don't let me stop you
from talking.

Why the hell am I paying to kill Iraqi and Afghani civilians?

Why am I paying for Blackwater to be in Iraq and Afghanistan?

What portion of my taxes were used to run Abu Ghraib?

How much did Gitmo cost? What portion of the prisoners there were
innocent men, women and children picked up in sweeps?

How much did it cost to torture people in Gitmo and other CIA-run
locations?

How much did I pay to have Halliburton serve food and provide shoddy
contracting services and gas for $10/gallon?

Why the hell am I paying for this???


You also are paying for herring's pension.

I don't begrudge him his pension but I sure wish he'd move to a
country that fit his views. I'm sure there's still some living in
South Africa.

H the K wrote:

If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog,
rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying
to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are
among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a
nice, simple-minded day.


This so reminds me of the kid who sticks his fingers in his ears, and
says to those who stand up to him, 'I can't hear you'.

Carry on.

Johnson

Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they
smell health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a
hospital near you in the USA.

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they smell
health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a hospital
near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26:20 -0800, Jim wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they smell
health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a hospital
near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

How many doctors did you see in that week? Did they all give you
hearing exams and examine your ears? If you have only one week to
correct the problem, why get any treatment five weeks later?

In any case, denigrating the entire spectrum of medical services in
the United States because of a hearing problem you had seems somewhat
harsh, wouldn't you think?
--

John H

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26:20 -0800, Jim wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they smell
health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a hospital
near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

How many doctors did you see in that week? Did they all give you
hearing exams and examine your ears? If you have only one week to
correct the problem, why get any treatment five weeks later?

In any case, denigrating the entire spectrum of medical services in
the United States because of a hearing problem you had seems somewhat
harsh, wouldn't you think?
--

John H


You have no problem denigrating women because you have a problem. So, what's
the difference?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in
other countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up
here. You should take note as at the rate the government is going,
they smell health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming
to a hospital near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

In Canada, you would wait 8 to 16 weeks just to see a doctor. First,
you go to a clinic and a technician (not neccessarily a doctor), they do
a 1 minute exam and submit the paperwork to the regional health care and
IF they approve it, you see a specialist.

I have lived on both sides of the border, I have used both systems. 90%
of Americans are better off in the USA as it is. For the 10% (or less)
they are not often because of their own stupidity. Less than 1% are in
a real hole there wasn't much they could do bout it.

So, like a classroom of kids you support service levels to the lowest
intelligence? In the case of health care, government runs it with no
competetion and revenue in mind lowers the servies standard to the UK or
Canada while skiming the tax revenue for statism?

My wife had a ovarian cyst. Took 3 1/2 months to see the doc, 28 weeks
was the initial wait for surgery. Fortunately someone canceled and it
was only 9 weeks. Who knows, maybe they died waiting? It was unknown
if it was cancerious but after the surgery, my prayer came true that it
was not.

Think twice, the decision Americans are making in this subject is for
practical purposes irreversable. And the amount of BS coming from
government hungry for your health care dollars as revenue speaks for itself.

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in
other countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of
one-half of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly
private clinics. Abortion clinics opened in the first place because
hospitals were failing to provide adequate services on a fair and
equal basis for Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in
freedom of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc.
They are the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up
here. You should take note as at the rate the government is going,
they smell health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming
to a hospital near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I
was in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for
treatment, then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my
regular physical so that there would be no argument about long term
versus sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

In Canada, you would wait 8 to 16 weeks just to see a doctor. First,
you go to a clinic and a technician (not neccessarily a doctor), they do
a 1 minute exam and submit the paperwork to the regional health care and
IF they approve it, you see a specialist.

I have lived on both sides of the border, I have used both systems. 90%
of Americans are better off in the USA as it is. For the 10% (or less)
they are not often because of their own stupidity. Less than 1% are in
a real hole there wasn't much they could do bout it.

So, like a classroom of kids you support service levels to the lowest
intelligence? In the case of health care, government runs it with no
competetion and revenue in mind lowers the servies standard to the UK or
Canada while skiming the tax revenue for statism?

My wife had a ovarian cyst. Took 3 1/2 months to see the doc, 28 weeks
was the initial wait for surgery. Fortunately someone canceled and it
was only 9 weeks. Who knows, maybe they died waiting? It was unknown
if it was cancerious but after the surgery, my prayer came true that it
was not.

Think twice, the decision Americans are making in this subject is for
practical purposes irreversable. And the amount of BS coming from
government hungry for your health care dollars as revenue speaks for
itself.

I had to wait 6 weeks to see a ear specialist at UCLA. They had nothing
worthwhile to say, waited another 4 weeks to see the House Ear Clinic.
They knew what to do, but told me it was too late, I should have come
on earlier.

That's not better.