Canuck57 wrote:
jps wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:59:38 -0800, Jim wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in
other countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of
one-half of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly
private clinics. Abortion clinics opened in the first place because
hospitals were failing to provide adequate services on a fair and
equal basis for Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

It's revolting to me that those people were able to get that in what
the House passed. My understanding is that it'll be stripped out at
some point, but it's still shocking.

Again I'll have to refer to Frank Schaeffer's book, "Crazy for God."
He actually made me see the other side and why they see it that way.

I still think they are wrong. "Gated Communities" of the mind.

According to many "Christian" groups, gays promote anal sex.

Pretty ****y experience I bet.

I'm sure my kids can't wait to have anal sex because that's what some
gay people do. God forbid they ever find out that straight people
sometimes favor anal sex.

Phil McCracken and Ben Dover at 6pm, Dick 'n Jane on at 11pm. Go figure.

Gated Communities is kind, more like prison.

Or keep the riff raff out.

What Schaeffer was referring to was gated communities of the mind, where
you surround yourself with like minded people and refuse to let in any
new ideas.

He has some truly great observations about a movement that he has been
given credit for starting.

He now refers to the people who have his videos and older books as
"Permanently scared and intentionally ignorant."

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they smell
health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a hospital
near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.

I am sure lots of thought goes into it. But since I don't have to live
with the consequences caporial or spiratual, I am quite content with
letting the decision be between the woman and the doctor.

Too bad you could take these no-rights people, brutally rape them to get
them pregnent, makes up the arse, then dictate to them like sheep that
they will have the child.

There are methods to get rid of possible pregnancies from rape without
waiting until the baby is viable. Or, do women just wait for a while
before deciding they were raped? Something there makes no sense.


Then when the child gets old enough to ask how they were conceived, they
can be told "?? raped me an so you were born...".

--

John H

Canuck57 wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in
other countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.

I am sure lots of thought goes into it. But since I don't have to live
with the consequences caporial or spiratual, I am quite content with
letting the decision be between the woman and the doctor.

Too bad you could take these no-rights people, brutally rape them to get
them pregnent, makes up the arse, then dictate to them like sheep that
they will have the child.

Then when the child gets old enough to ask how they were conceived, they
can be told "?? raped me an so you were born...".



Like I said initially, sometimes they have a more realistic attitude in
Canada.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26:20 -0800, Jim wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they smell
health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a hospital
near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

How many doctors did you see in that week? Did they all give you
hearing exams and examine your ears? If you have only one week to
correct the problem, why get any treatment five weeks later?

In any case, denigrating the entire spectrum of medical services in
the United States because of a hearing problem you had seems somewhat
harsh, wouldn't you think?
--

John H

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.
Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.
I am sure lots of thought goes into it. But since I don't have to live
with the consequences caporial or spiratual, I am quite content with
letting the decision be between the woman and the doctor.

Too bad you could take these no-rights people, brutally rape them to get
them pregnent, makes up the arse, then dictate to them like sheep that
they will have the child.

There are methods to get rid of possible pregnancies from rape without
waiting until the baby is viable. Or, do women just wait for a while
before deciding they were raped? Something there makes no sense.

Then when the child gets old enough to ask how they were conceived, they
can be told "?? raped me an so you were born...".

There are billboards all over Florida saying that the unborn baby's
heart starts beating at 19 days after conception. 19 days is pleanty of
time to get rape pregnancy terminated.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:51:15 -0500, Jim# wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.
Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.
I am sure lots of thought goes into it. But since I don't have to live
with the consequences caporial or spiratual, I am quite content with
letting the decision be between the woman and the doctor.

Too bad you could take these no-rights people, brutally rape them to get
them pregnent, makes up the arse, then dictate to them like sheep that
they will have the child.

There are methods to get rid of possible pregnancies from rape without
waiting until the baby is viable. Or, do women just wait for a while
before deciding they were raped? Something there makes no sense.

Then when the child gets old enough to ask how they were conceived, they
can be told "?? raped me an so you were born...".

There are billboards all over Florida saying that the unborn baby's
heart starts beating at 19 days after conception. 19 days is pleanty of
time to get rape pregnancy terminated.

The rape thing is another liberal ploy.
--

John H

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Churchill

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.

I am sure lots of thought goes into it. But since I don't have to live
with the consequences caporial or spiratual, I am quite content with
letting the decision be between the woman and the doctor.

Too bad you could take these no-rights people, brutally rape them to get
them pregnent, makes up the arse, then dictate to them like sheep that
they will have the child.

There are methods to get rid of possible pregnancies from rape without
waiting until the baby is viable. Or, do women just wait for a while
before deciding they were raped? Something there makes no sense.


Then when the child gets old enough to ask how they were conceived, they
can be told "?? raped me an so you were born...".

--

John H


Waiting for the baby to be viable??? That's not very pro-life. Isn't it a
baby from conception? What a bunch of horsepucky. You have no business in my
or any woman's business. Butt out.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:51:15 -0500, Jim# wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:03 -0800, Jim wrote:

Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would
possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF

The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of
all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.
Maybe there's some concern about this language: "All abortions are
medically necessary, since it is impractical and discriminatory to
separate out abortions done for "social" reasons from those done for
"health" reasons."

Some folks just don't believe that killing babies should have no
thought behind it whatsoever. I sure don't think I should have to pay
for them.
I am sure lots of thought goes into it. But since I don't have to live
with the consequences caporial or spiratual, I am quite content with
letting the decision be between the woman and the doctor.

Too bad you could take these no-rights people, brutally rape them to
get
them pregnent, makes up the arse, then dictate to them like sheep that
they will have the child.

There are methods to get rid of possible pregnancies from rape without
waiting until the baby is viable. Or, do women just wait for a while
before deciding they were raped? Something there makes no sense.

Then when the child gets old enough to ask how they were conceived,
they
can be told "?? raped me an so you were born...".

There are billboards all over Florida saying that the unborn baby's
heart starts beating at 19 days after conception. 19 days is pleanty of
time to get rape pregnancy terminated.

The rape thing is another liberal ploy.


Yeah, rape is a ploy. She wanted it even if she said no. What a jerk.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26:20 -0800, Jim wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
Jim wrote:
Listening to the anti abortion people protest any health plan that
would possibly include abortion, I was wondering what they do in other
countries to appease these opposite beliefs.

From:
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpaper...lly-Funded.PDF


The politicizing of abortion led to the current situation of one-half
of all abortions in Canada being performed at mostly private clinics.
Abortion clinics opened in the first place because hospitals were
failing to provide adequate services on a fair and equal basis for
Canadian women.

Hard to read that document and not see the logic.

Canadian liberals are a dogmatic bunch. They don't believe in freedom
of choice in much of anything from abortion, taxation, etc. They are
the first to impose their often myopic views on others.

As for our hospitals, the government services are not that good up here.
You should take note as at the rate the government is going, they smell
health care as a source of general revenue. It is coming to a hospital
near you in the USA.

Despite what you might hear, medical services aren't that good down in
the good Old USA either.

I had a sudden hearing loss issue that wasn't treated even though I was
in the doctor's office the next day. You have one week for treatment,
then it's permanent.

The doctors (several of them) diagnosed it as long term hearing loss,
which isn't treatable. Eventually United Health intervened and I got
treatment. Five weeks too late.

"Gee we are sorry," was all I got from the initial doctors.

My lesson was that I should have had hearing tests as part of my regular
physical so that there would be no argument about long term versus
sudden hearing loss.

I had the tests, but they chose, initially, to ignore them as they
weren't THEIR tests. Eventually someone looked at them and said this
isn't long term hearing loss.

Now I know something that's pretty damn important.

Oh, they already know about profit based health care. Trust me.

How many doctors did you see in that week? Did they all give you
hearing exams and examine your ears? If you have only one week to
correct the problem, why get any treatment five weeks later?

In any case, denigrating the entire spectrum of medical services in
the United States because of a hearing problem you had seems somewhat
harsh, wouldn't you think?
--

John H


You have no problem denigrating women because you have a problem. So, what's
the difference?

--
Nom=de=Plume