On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:



Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?

I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....

They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.

I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.

If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:



Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?

I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....

They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.

I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.

If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.


No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show they
explode, etc.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:36:39 -0800, jps wrote:



They better clean Dobbs' house too, since his Mexican-American wife
and her Mexican-American parents live there.
Dobbs has never been anti-hispanic, just anti-illegal.
Anybody who has watched his show knows that.
But I won't forgive him for the birther bull****.

--Vic

I do not believe the Hispanic community agrees with you. Either you
or they are watching him more closely. I can't stand watching him or
his bimbo stand in.

The "Hispanic community" wants amnesty for illegals - for the
Hispanics anyway. Dobbs doesn't.
That's all it is. Personally I'm with Dobbs on that.
It's got nothing to do with race, but with law and its purpose.
The main purpose being I don't want to go through 5 ****ing language
selections when I make a phone call.
This ain't Yugoslavia.

--Vic


I don't want to go through language choices either, but sometimes a little
inconvenience is the price we haev to pay. Amnesty in name sounds terrible,
but in actual fact, it's either they remain underground or they're given
some opportunity to get legal. There's no way to remove all the illegals in
this country. Illegal immigration is actually down a bit, since the US
economy is so weak. We need better border security and we need to start
enforcing the laws already on the books with greater vigor.

They can get legal by going back to their contry of origin and get in
line for legal entry to the USA.

When you find an illegal alien, you summarily deport them.

If you enter the USA illegally then you do not respect the laws of the
USA and you should not ever be allowed back in.

Shoot to kill at the fences.

On 11/12/09 7:36 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

"Vic wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:36:39 -0800, wrote:



They better clean Dobbs' house too, since his Mexican-American wife
and her Mexican-American parents live there.
Dobbs has never been anti-hispanic, just anti-illegal.
Anybody who has watched his show knows that.
But I won't forgive him for the birther bull****.

--Vic

I do not believe the Hispanic community agrees with you. Either you
or they are watching him more closely. I can't stand watching him or
his bimbo stand in.

The "Hispanic community" wants amnesty for illegals - for the
Hispanics anyway. Dobbs doesn't.
That's all it is. Personally I'm with Dobbs on that.
It's got nothing to do with race, but with law and its purpose.
The main purpose being I don't want to go through 5 ****ing language
selections when I make a phone call.
This ain't Yugoslavia.

--Vic


I don't want to go through language choices either, but sometimes a little
inconvenience is the price we haev to pay. Amnesty in name sounds terrible,
but in actual fact, it's either they remain underground or they're given
some opportunity to get legal. There's no way to remove all the illegals in
this country. Illegal immigration is actually down a bit, since the US
economy is so weak. We need better border security and we need to start
enforcing the laws already on the books with greater vigor.

They can get legal by going back to their contry of origin and get in
line for legal entry to the USA.

When you find an illegal alien, you summarily deport them.

If you enter the USA illegally then you do not respect the laws of the
USA and you should not ever be allowed back in.

Shoot to kill at the fences.



Far easier to investigate corporations, find examples of illegal hiring,
arrest the corporate officers on criminal charges, try them and if they
are found guilt, impose heavy fines on the corporation and the
individuals, and then imprison the individuals. For really long terms.

No get out of jail free cards for execs who claim, "We didn't know."

The illegal workers, after all, come here to make a few bucks to support
their families. The law-breaking corporate execs are trying to screw all
of us.

Let's start with the company you work for, Bertie... who is the
compliance officer?



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the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice,
simple-minded day.

nom=de=plume wrote:

just about everyone is against anti-illegal immigration.

Got to think about this one.

Let's see. If I'm anti-illegal immigration, then I'm against illegal
immigration. Ok, makes sense.

If I'm *against* anti-illegal immigration, then I must be for illegal
immigration.


Johnson

nom=de=plume wrote:


We need better border security and we need to start
enforcing the laws already on the books with greater vigor.

A nice thought, but incredibly naive.

In Freehold, NJ, there is a muster zone for these illegals. They hang
out there all day waiting for work, for some landscaper or other
business to pick them up. Cash trade.

The town decided to shut down the zone, and began regular patrols to
disperse the crowd:

"Day laborers filed a federal class action lawsuit alleging the borough
prevented workers from seeking employment. The lawsuit was filed on
behalf of day laborers, many of whom are Hispanic immigrants, after the
town shut down a muster zone where the laborers solicited work from area
contractors. The class claimed they were harassed and threatened with
police action for assembling at the location to scout work. The Borough
of Freehold has agreed to settle the case for $278,000." -Newsday

See? They were not illegal immigrants, they were "day laborers", and
*many* were "Hispanic immigrants". All working for cash, neither the
employer nor themselves paying the taxes they owe the government.

Now talk about enforcing the laws already on the books.

Johnson

On Nov 12, 8:09*am, Johnson wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
just about everyone is against anti-illegal immigration.

Got to think about this one.

Let's see. If I'm anti-illegal immigration, then I'm against illegal
immigration. Ok, makes sense.

If I'm *against* anti-illegal immigration, then I must be for illegal
immigration.

Johnson

Give her a break, she's a little ditzy. OK, a lot ditzy.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:07:31 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:36:39 -0800, jps wrote:



They better clean Dobbs' house too, since his Mexican-American wife
and her Mexican-American parents live there.
Dobbs has never been anti-hispanic, just anti-illegal.
Anybody who has watched his show knows that.
But I won't forgive him for the birther bull****.

--Vic

I do not believe the Hispanic community agrees with you. Either you
or they are watching him more closely. I can't stand watching him or
his bimbo stand in.

The "Hispanic community" wants amnesty for illegals - for the
Hispanics anyway. Dobbs doesn't.
That's all it is. Personally I'm with Dobbs on that.
It's got nothing to do with race, but with law and its purpose.
The main purpose being I don't want to go through 5 ****ing language
selections when I make a phone call.
This ain't Yugoslavia.

--Vic

The "Hispanic Community" is guided by a bunch of liberals looking for
votes. The folks *in* the community are led to believe the Republicans
are trying to persecute them by taking action against illegal aliens.
The folks *in* the communty don't have the sense to realize that the
job market is just that - a market. They can't seem to realize that
the millions of illegal aliens are making it much more difficult for
the *legal* immigrants to find work.
--

John H

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Churchill

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:36:39 -0800, jps wrote:



They better clean Dobbs' house too, since his Mexican-American wife
and her Mexican-American parents live there.
Dobbs has never been anti-hispanic, just anti-illegal.
Anybody who has watched his show knows that.
But I won't forgive him for the birther bull****.

--Vic

I do not believe the Hispanic community agrees with you. Either you
or they are watching him more closely. I can't stand watching him or
his bimbo stand in.

The "Hispanic community" wants amnesty for illegals - for the
Hispanics anyway. Dobbs doesn't.
That's all it is. Personally I'm with Dobbs on that.
It's got nothing to do with race, but with law and its purpose.
The main purpose being I don't want to go through 5 ****ing language
selections when I make a phone call.
This ain't Yugoslavia.

--Vic


I don't want to go through language choices either, but sometimes a
little
inconvenience is the price we haev to pay. Amnesty in name sounds
terrible,
but in actual fact, it's either they remain underground or they're given
some opportunity to get legal. There's no way to remove all the illegals
in
this country. Illegal immigration is actually down a bit, since the US
economy is so weak. We need better border security and we need to start
enforcing the laws already on the books with greater vigor.

They can get legal by going back to their contry of origin and get in
line for legal entry to the USA.

Yes, and many do. Many more don't, because we don't enforce the employer
laws we have.


When you find an illegal alien, you summarily deport them.

Pretty much happens this way now. Of course, we have due process, to
hopefully ensure they are actually illegal. There was a case of that not
being followed and a US citizen was deported.

If you enter the USA illegally then you do not respect the laws of the
USA and you should not ever be allowed back in.

Yes, I agree also.

Shoot to kill at the fences.

Lunatic statement. We're not North Korea.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Johnson" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:


We need better border security and we need to start enforcing the laws
already on the books with greater vigor.

A nice thought, but incredibly naive.

No naive at all. You're saying we shouldn't enforce the law?


In Freehold, NJ, there is a muster zone for these illegals. They hang out
there all day waiting for work, for some landscaper or other business to
pick them up. Cash trade.

The town decided to shut down the zone, and began regular patrols to
disperse the crowd:

"Day laborers filed a federal class action lawsuit alleging the borough
prevented workers from seeking employment. The lawsuit was filed on behalf
of day laborers, many of whom are Hispanic immigrants, after the town shut
down a muster zone where the laborers solicited work from area
contractors. The class claimed they were harassed and threatened with
police action for assembling at the location to scout work. The Borough of
Freehold has agreed to settle the case for $278,000." -Newsday

See? They were not illegal immigrants, they were "day laborers", and
*many* were "Hispanic immigrants". All working for cash, neither the
employer nor themselves paying the taxes they owe the government.

Now talk about enforcing the laws already on the books.

It's called due process. You can't shut down a whole class of people because
of a suspected illegal activity.

I'm not familiar with the specifics. Sounds like someone in the town screwed
up.

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Nom=de=Plume