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No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show they
explode, etc.


Wasn't that NBC, Bill? Of course, CBS has had its shinning moments of
Murrow-esque reporting...



Could of been, they sort of blend together and I did not feel like googling
the liars. Did it from memory, was appears to be wrong on the studio, but
not the lie.


I seem to recall having read an article recently about more than one
"conjured" report from the major networks over the years. It seems as
though no one is innocent.

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:31:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:24:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:42:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Nov 12, 8:09 am, Johnson wrote:
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just about everyone is against anti-illegal immigration.

Got to think about this one.

Let's see. If I'm anti-illegal immigration, then I'm against illegal
immigration. Ok, makes sense.

If I'm *against* anti-illegal immigration, then I must be for illegal
immigration.

Johnson

Give her a break, she's a little ditzy. OK, a lot ditzy.


A little...

Coming from Jack the ding-dong. Doesn't hold a lot of water.


He has a nervous bladder?

He also suffers from an overactive brain stem. Like Tosk, he's got
more cockroach in his DNA than the character Vincent D'Onofrio played
in Men in Black. Although the bug had better looks.


None of my friends understands why I loved that movie...

Loved it and even liked the sequel. Tommy Lee Jones, Will Smith were
great together and Linda Fiorentino was smart casting. Characters
were a lot of fun, including Rip Torn. I laughed heartily most of the
way through. Very clever.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:31:56 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:



Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?

I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....

They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.

I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.

If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.


No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show they
explode, etc.

Oh, are you now disagreeing with Hannity? He admitted they'd doctored
the piece last night and admitted they were wrong. Fell far short of
an actual admission tho', he said it was inadvertent.

Nope, as usual you are lying, he never admitted they "doctored" the
peice. The truth is he only admitted to making a mistake, but of course
your narrow mind can't wrap itself around truth, especially if it
doesn't fit your agenda.. Another German/Japanese screwdriver from the
left... You will always be a lying Just a Piece of ****...


Nope, pointing out some of the mainstream media lies even more. Sort of
like the letter about Bush's military career. No standing up and admitting
they lied.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:31:56 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:



Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking
all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?

I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....

They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.

I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.

If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.


No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show
they
explode, etc.

Oh, are you now disagreeing with Hannity? He admitted they'd doctored
the piece last night and admitted they were wrong. Fell far short of
an actual admission tho', he said it was inadvertent.

Nope, pointing out some of the mainstream media lies even more. Sort of
like the letter about Bush's military career. No standing up and
admitting
they lied.


Quite right. In fact, one of the excuses given at the time was that
even if the document were a forgery, it was at least representative of
the truth. Hyperbole had a field day from the left-field bleachers
with that canard.


Bush was quite the war hero, unlike John Kerry. No hyperbole there.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:31:56 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:



Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking
all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?

I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....

They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.

I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.

If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.


No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show
they
explode, etc.

Oh, are you now disagreeing with Hannity? He admitted they'd doctored
the piece last night and admitted they were wrong. Fell far short of
an actual admission tho', he said it was inadvertent.

Nope, as usual you are lying, he never admitted they "doctored" the
peice. The truth is he only admitted to making a mistake, but of course
your narrow mind can't wrap itself around truth, especially if it
doesn't fit your agenda.. Another German/Japanese screwdriver from the
left... You will always be a lying Just a Piece of ****...


A long string of "mistakes" too numerous to list. His behavior is shameful.

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:19:11 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:31:56 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for the sake of bandwidth


No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show
they
explode, etc.


Wasn't that NBC, Bill? Of course, CBS has had its shinning moments of
Murrow-esque reporting...



Could of been, they sort of blend together and I did not feel like
googling
the liars. Did it from memory, was appears to be wrong on the studio, but
not the lie.


I seem to recall having read an article recently about more than one
"conjured" report from the major networks over the years. It seems as
though no one is innocent.


You're right in a sense. No one is perfect. The difference is the quantity
from organizations such as Fox. After a while, it's hard to call yourself a
news organization with a straight face.

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I am Tosk wrote:
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:31:56 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:


Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?
I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....
They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.
I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.
If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.

No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show they
explode, etc.
Oh, are you now disagreeing with Hannity? He admitted they'd doctored
the piece last night and admitted they were wrong. Fell far short of
an actual admission tho', he said it was inadvertent.

Nope, as usual you are lying, he never admitted they "doctored" the
peice. The truth is he only admitted to making a mistake, but of course
your narrow mind can't wrap itself around truth, especially if it
doesn't fit your agenda.. Another German/Japanese screwdriver from the
left... You will always be a lying Just a Piece of ****...

Nope, pointing out some of the mainstream media lies even more. Sort of
like the letter about Bush's military career. No standing up and admitting
they lied.


"narrow mind"? Try flat instead. He doesn't think. he repeats what he's
told to say. Same with Krausie and the plum.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:20:32 -0500, Johnson
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:


We need better border security and we need to start
enforcing the laws already on the books with greater vigor.
A nice thought, but incredibly naive.

In Freehold, NJ, there is a muster zone for these illegals. They hang
out there all day waiting for work, for some landscaper or other
business to pick them up. Cash trade.

The town decided to shut down the zone, and began regular patrols to
disperse the crowd:

"Day laborers filed a federal class action lawsuit alleging the borough
prevented workers from seeking employment. The lawsuit was filed on
behalf of day laborers, many of whom are Hispanic immigrants, after the
town shut down a muster zone where the laborers solicited work from area
contractors. The class claimed they were harassed and threatened with
police action for assembling at the location to scout work. The Borough
of Freehold has agreed to settle the case for $278,000." -Newsday

See? They were not illegal immigrants, they were "day laborers", and
*many* were "Hispanic immigrants". All working for cash, neither the
employer nor themselves paying the taxes they owe the government.

Now talk about enforcing the laws already on the books.

Johnson

Sure doesn't look like they were enforcing them in a way that could be
prosecuted. They just shut the area down.

That's the trouble with our democracy. You need to have proof of
illegal activities. They didn't want to go through the trouble.

Why yes, that's it man!

There was no illegal activity. They didn't enter the country illegally.
They weren't loitering around all day on the sidewalks. They weren't
working for employers who didn't pay payroll taxes. These cash
day-workers are truly paying their taxes, dutifully filing state and
federal tax returns every year.

No, golly gee, these are decent, upstanding, law-abiding, hard-working
American citizens, reinforcing the fabric of a solid society. Golly gee,
why didn't *I* think of that when I read the story?

Damn you're brilliant, JPS!


Who are you going after next? Waitresses?

Why? Have they entered the country illegally?

Actually your question says it all, "Who are you going after next?".
That's fear. Be very afraid, JPS. An attempt might be made to enforce
the laws. Thank god it was subverted, and thank god we have you to spin
a rosy picture of it.

Johnson

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:11:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:18:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:31:56 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:40 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:43 -0800, jps wrote:



Dobbs goes beyond the illegal alien fight, using language that
identifies his target's cultural identity a little too acutely.

You mean if an illegal is from Mexico he calls him a Mexican illegal?
Blasphemy!

He also doesn't seem to spend much time on the downside of kicking
all
these low-wage workers out of the country.

You mean like mowing your own lawn and doing your own laundry?
Anyway, the economy is pretty complicated.
Who knows what the impact of the illegal labor is?

I know there's a huge workforce that picks most of our fruits and
vegetables for far lower wages than our fellow citizens are used to
getting paid. They also provide domestic help as you pointed out.
While you or I may replace our gardener (I don't have one) in tough
times, think of all the entrepreneurs who'd be **** out of luck if
they couldn't underpay someone to service their customers. Doesn't
help "small business" much.

I suspect that citizens or legal immigrants would have picked up much
of the slack.
Saw a news article a couple months ago about anglos working picking
fruit. Colorado I think. It's the economy.....

They were Mexicans in white face paid by Lou Dobbs.

He's just a little too hopped up. Now it looks like he's having to
bark outside the tent of a different circus.

I don't see a place for him. Given his birther madness, Fox probably
comes closest. Maybe they can turn him totally insane.

If anyone can push Lou into an onscreen heart attack, it'd be Fox.

Hannity will be glad to help him edit footage.


No, it is CBS that edits tapes. Puts sparklers in gas tanks to show
they
explode, etc.

Oh, are you now disagreeing with Hannity? He admitted they'd doctored
the piece last night and admitted they were wrong. Fell far short of
an actual admission tho', he said it was inadvertent.

Nope, pointing out some of the mainstream media lies even more. Sort of
like the letter about Bush's military career. No standing up and
admitting
they lied.


Quite right. In fact, one of the excuses given at the time was that
even if the document were a forgery, it was at least representative of
the truth. Hyperbole had a field day from the left-field bleachers
with that canard.


Bush was quite the war hero, unlike John Kerry. No hyperbole there.

Respectfully, Em, (and not that this is necessarily relevant to the
conversation at hand), you will not find me defending Bush or Kerry in
this NG. I'm not impressed with the political aristocracy, right or
left. Nor am I impressed with political propaganda, hyperbole,
disingenuity in the press, and poor thinking.

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Nor am I impressed with political propaganda, hyperbole,
disingenuity in the press, and poor thinking.

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You must have a tough time living with your words... :)

I got a real kick out of the obviously poor thinking of McCain the last
go-around, and, of course, of the non-thinking of his running mate. And
just to demonstrate my bipartisanship, I was really annoyed by John
Kerry and his dithering in the 2004 campaign.

I like Obama's thinking patterns. I think he is going about making his
decision on Afghanistan in the proper way. On the other hand, I don't
think he is being tough enough in dealing with the Republicans. Since it
is patently obvious their only goal is to get in the way of Obama, I
think he ought to give up all pretense of bipartisanship and
figuratively slit their throats.





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