thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
No one said you had to or that I did. It was making a point.

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she
was only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.

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"Don White" wrote in message
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I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and
caught a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers
who came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids
were passed what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in
guns are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.


Lets see. Turn in a $500 weapon and get a $50 camera. Good business.
For the state. I was raised around firearms. The kids getting
accidently killed are most likely from parents who do not acknowledge
firearms and the only ones the kids see are on TV and the person getting
shot 99 times and getting up. I was taught gun safety from as far back
as I can remember. My kids were taught firearms safety. Started
shooting small bore rifles and 20 ga shotguns at beercans and clay
pidgeons when they were maybe 8 or 9. Neither kid owes guns as they do
not desire to, but they do know what to do to keep themselves and the
family safe if around a firearm. Education on firearms is missing these
days.

FL has a law on the books that makes parents responsible if Jr. takes
Dads firearm and shoots Suzy while playing cops and robbers.
Too often the law isn't used. I think this has been twisted around where
somehow the parents rights are being violated if he/she/they is held
responsible for leaving a firearm unsecured and this results in Suzy
being shot. .
It'm my constitutional and legal right (FL) to own firearms (and I do so
responsibly) and it's the other sides right to bitch and moan about it.
If I shoot someone it's because they are commiting a life threatening
action towards myself or another person. Or they've shown extremely poor
judgement by breaking into my house.


Same thing here in California. Hell, I think someone breaks in to a house
a steals a firearm without a trigger lock or in a safe and you are still
responsible for any shooting by the bad guy. But most accidents by kids
are by uninformed kids. Same with adults.

Perhaps you should get a JD before you make such statements...

--
Nom=de=Plume

"lil abner" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up to
our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she was
only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for the
one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a long
while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five years)
was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property. Someone got
their description and car license, and they were caught pretty quickly. I
have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out and ready that quickly.
My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my b-day, because I'm the only
resident in my house, but passed. I have pepper spray. I have no objection
to handguns, but I don't feel like I need one. I have good locks, but most
people don't really lock up their house around here. Sometimes I do, but
only if I'm not at the house.


--
Nom=de=Plume

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:31:53 -0500, lil abner wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she
was only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.

A dog would be more convenient. Sensor driven lighting? A simple
security system. There are so many deterrents available. Guns are
not a deterrent until they go off. Too often they go off in the wrong
direction for the wrong reason.

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:31:53 -0500, lil abner wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she
was only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.

I figure God made pillows to put your .45 under.
--

John H

"Don White" wrote in message
...
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught
a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns
are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.

My son and daughter, now 25 and 30 were brought up with guns. Each got to
shoot at age eight. My grandpa gave me a .22 when I was eight. My dad had
to take me to shoot it, which he did until I was a little older, and I snuck
it out. Then, I bought one when I was about 12 and kept it at a friend's
house. My son shot a twelve gauge at eight. My daughter fired pistols and
rifles one time, and after that never had one ounce of interest, AND NO
CURIOSITY TO GO SNOOPING IN THE GUNS. She saw what they were, understood
what they did, and she was a smart kid. My son still likes to shoot, but
just graduated, and is working on masters and doesn't shoot or hunt or fish
much.

Kids raised with guns are different than kids forbidden to touch guns, or
kids who are raised with guns and the wrong attitude.

Steve

Don White wrote:
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught a
program called 'Lock& Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out& buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point& shoot
cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns are
examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.



Oh boy!

Rob

jps wrote:

A dog would be more convenient. Sensor driven lighting? A simple
security system. There are so many deterrents available. Guns are
not a deterrent until they go off. Too often they go off in the wrong
direction for the wrong reason.

Golly, you never have a problem when your master posts about guns. Oh, boy!

Rob (Donnisms)

lil abner wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:51:01 -0500, lil abner wrote:

Don White wrote:
I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and
caught a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the
cusomers who came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their
small children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids
were passed what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already
owned numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point
& shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned
in guns are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.

I wa brought up with firearms. I didn't handle or fire one until it
was determined I was safe with them.
My own kids went one, at a time, with me at 6. They hunted, with a
gun, while, I attended at about 7.
At ten they hunted squirrels alone behind the house.
Some kids, today, know nothing but tv. It depends on who raised them,
the tv, or parents, and where they live etc.
At 5 I was killing chickens, by wringing their necks and chores that
most Teenagers would whine and cry and not do.
I'm not sure what you saw. I won't accuse you of being socialist.
We frequently hear hand wringing and the sky is falling from the
socialist camp.

Do you live in historical Russia?
Not being in favor of the proliferation of handguns and their
availablity to nutcases does not a socialist make.

I endorse your interest in shooting small defenseless animals if
that's what floats your boat, or hunting for food. I even endorse
your ability to have firearms to defend your life and property.

What I don't endorse is no check sales of firearms at uncontrolled
gun shows and lax gun shops.

What I don't endorse is all the money the NRA has spread around
Washington to promote laws that hinder our ability to wrestle with
this out-of-control problem. Maybe it's fine for you to watch as
people get killed in bunches, I'm not immune to the taking of innocent
lives.

4 cops, two of them trainers in SWAT. Armed, trained, getting ready
to go on duty, shot dead in cold blood by one asshole.

Normally, some dunderhead would be arguing that if ONE of those four
people had a gun, the gunman couldn't have killed all four.

Guess what? It's a ****ing specious argument that just got proven
wrong.

The cat is long out of the bag on this problem and I have not a clue
what to do. The NRA has pushed the availability so far beyond reason
that we're doomed to have to live with the consequences for years to
come.

Humans can be so ****ing short sighted. I'm not among that lot.
Firearms are tools. It is our right. We told government hands off in our
Constitution.
You want to make it a privilege dictated on your terms.
By the way, it will surprise you to know that meat doesn't come from the
supermarket. The animal was killed a lot less humanely than a Hunter would.
The NRA hasn't pushed anything. S--t happens. Life is uncertain. The
society is full of criminals. You cannot depend on society or Law
Enforcement to be at your side to protect you when a predator comes for
you. Even if you have the means to protect yourself it is not a 100%
guaranteed you will be the victor.
If you don't want to take responsibility for your own existence that's
fine. Put a big 911 button on your phone. Go whine and cower in your
corner. The predators will come for the ones offering the least
resistance first. No one elected to give up their rights and let you be
emperor.
Leave normal Citizens alone.

I agree with this post.

Rob