"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:31:53 -0500, lil abner wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch,
I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she
was only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.

A dog would be more convenient. Sensor driven lighting? A simple
security system. There are so many deterrents available. Guns are
not a deterrent until they go off. Too often they go off in the wrong
direction for the wrong reason.


Dogs are ok, but they can be bribed a lot of times. Unlike cats. They were
used in Thailand as guard animals.

--
Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
"lil wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up to
our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she was
only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for the
one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a long
while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five years)
was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property. Someone got
their description and car license, and they were caught pretty quickly. I
have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out and ready that quickly.
My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my b-day, because I'm the only
resident in my house, but passed. I have pepper spray. I have no objection
to handguns, but I don't feel like I need one. I have good locks, but most
people don't really lock up their house around here. Sometimes I do, but
only if I'm not at the house.



There are nuts everywhere. Locking your house should be your first
step. A handgun is an option to consider.

Rob (NRA Life Member)

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"lil abner" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch,
I sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she was
only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five
years) was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property.
Someone got their description and car license, and they were caught pretty
quickly. I have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out and ready
that quickly. My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my b-day,
because I'm the only resident in my house, but passed. I have pepper
spray. I have no objection to handguns, but I don't feel like I need one.
I have good locks, but most people don't really lock up their house around
here. Sometimes I do, but only if I'm not at the house.


--
Nom=de=Plume

Late Monday night/early Tuesday morning some thief slithered around my
driveway/back yard and stole my wheelbarrow.
I reported it to the police and got a file case number but that will be it.
Good thing the next door neighbour (roofing contractor) just gave me one of
his slightly damaged wheelbarrows a couple of weeks ago.
I walked over to a local hardware store for a 2&1/2" carriage bolt..5/8th
size, a washer & nut.
$ .50 spent and I have a half decent wheelbarrow again.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:31:53 -0500, lil abner wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch,
I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she
was only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.

I figure God made pillows to put your .45 under.
--

John H

As if your wife would let you put a loaded handgun under a pillow in her
bed.
I recommend you simply be civil to the minorities in your neighbourhood.

Steve B wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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I was surfing my High Def channels before packing it in tonight and caught
a program called 'Lock & Load'.
It was about a family owned gun shop in Colorado and all the cusomers who
came in to try out & buy shootin' irons.
Couldn't believe it...I bet about 40% of the customers brought their small
children in...mostly toddlers. Some of the older (8-10 ) kids were passed
what looked like auto assault weapons to play with.
Man...talk about a gun culture...a lot of the customers already owned
numerous weapons.
Up here the cops and a local camera store are giving away Sony point &
shoot cameras for each handgun/rifle passed in. After the turned in guns
are examined and checked for any history, they are destroyed.

My son and daughter, now 25 and 30 were brought up with guns. Each got to
shoot at age eight. My grandpa gave me a .22 when I was eight. My dad had
to take me to shoot it, which he did until I was a little older, and I snuck
it out. Then, I bought one when I was about 12 and kept it at a friend's
house. My son shot a twelve gauge at eight. My daughter fired pistols and
rifles one time, and after that never had one ounce of interest, AND NO
CURIOSITY TO GO SNOOPING IN THE GUNS. She saw what they were, understood
what they did, and she was a smart kid. My son still likes to shoot, but
just graduated, and is working on masters and doesn't shoot or hunt or fish
much.

Kids raised with guns are different than kids forbidden to touch guns, or
kids who are raised with guns and the wrong attitude.

Steve


I forgot about that tactic. I let them fire a handgun, while I kept a
grip on it, with hearing protection of course.
After that they didn't want anything to do with them.

"Rob" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"lil wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but
if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch,
I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to
our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she was
only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the
one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long
while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five
years)
was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property. Someone
got
their description and car license, and they were caught pretty quickly. I
have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out and ready that
quickly.
My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my b-day, because I'm the
only
resident in my house, but passed. I have pepper spray. I have no
objection
to handguns, but I don't feel like I need one. I have good locks, but
most
people don't really lock up their house around here. Sometimes I do, but
only if I'm not at the house.



There are nuts everywhere. Locking your house should be your first step.
A handgun is an option to consider.

Rob (NRA Life Member)


Don't usually feel the need to lock it... when I go to sleep or if I'm
feeling particularly creeped out after watching a horror flick. I just
re-watched Nightmare on Elm Street last night. So, I locked the doors (and
windows and cars).

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Don White" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"lil abner" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but
if you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to
much television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where
I travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a watch,
I sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping. The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she
was only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five
years) was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property.
Someone got their description and car license, and they were caught
pretty quickly. I have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out
and ready that quickly. My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my
b-day, because I'm the only resident in my house, but passed. I have
pepper spray. I have no objection to handguns, but I don't feel like I
need one. I have good locks, but most people don't really lock up their
house around here. Sometimes I do, but only if I'm not at the house.


--
Nom=de=Plume

Late Monday night/early Tuesday morning some thief slithered around my
driveway/back yard and stole my wheelbarrow.
I reported it to the police and got a file case number but that will be
it.
Good thing the next door neighbour (roofing contractor) just gave me one
of his slightly damaged wheelbarrows a couple of weeks ago.
I walked over to a local hardware store for a 2&1/2" carriage bolt..5/8th
size, a washer & nut.
$ .50 spent and I have a half decent wheelbarrow again.



Stole your wheelbarrow? Jeez... that's cheezy.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"lil wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and
paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but
if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to
much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a
watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping.
The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to
our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she was
only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could
roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line
flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the
one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long
while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five
years)
was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property. Someone
got
their description and car license, and they were caught pretty quickly.
I
have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out and ready that
quickly.
My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my b-day, because I'm the
only
resident in my house, but passed. I have pepper spray. I have no
objection
to handguns, but I don't feel like I need one. I have good locks, but
most
people don't really lock up their house around here. Sometimes I do, but
only if I'm not at the house.



There are nuts everywhere. Locking your house should be your first step.
A handgun is an option to consider.

Rob (NRA Life Member)


Don't usually feel the need to lock it... when I go to sleep or if I'm
feeling particularly creeped out after watching a horror flick. I just
re-watched Nightmare on Elm Street last night. So, I locked the doors (and
windows and cars).

--
Nom=de=Plume

Good Lord...don't you get enough of the Kruger family here in wrecked.boats?

"lil abner" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:51:01 -0500, lil abner wrote:



The animal was killed a lot less humanely than a Hunter would.

I beg to differ. Unless every hunter *always* gets a clean head shot, your
statement is in error.

In the US, slaughtered animals are stunned and rendered insensible
(unconscious), before they are bled out (unless it is a kosher kill). Done
correctly, there is little if any pain. Let me put it this way; Would you
rather be stunned and rendered unconcious, then killed (dead before you
awoke), or shot in the chest and left to bleed, fully conscious of the fact
that you are dying... until you finally died?

I'm not against hunting by any means, nor firearms. It's just that I've
heard hunters use that defense before, and it just aint true. Base your
defense on the constitution... it don't get any better than that.

--Mike

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:06:50 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"lil wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:56:14 -0800, jps wrote:


The predators will come for the ones offering the least resistance
first.
You watch too much television or you're just old, feeble and
paranoid.

I don't know if he's old and feeble, but he's definitely paranoid. I
don't have a problem with guns. If you want to carry, go for it, but
if
you think you need a gun for protection, you have been watching to
much
television. I'm 60 years old, and I've never been shy about where I
travel, but in all that time, I've never been in a situation where I
though I needed a gun. I have been in a few situations where I'm glad
guns weren't around. I don't even like carrying the weight of a
watch, I
sure can't see carrying a gun around for years, on the off chance I
might
have a use for it. Hell, the average cop never pulls his gun.
I've never been shot at but.
In the mid seventies we had our home invade, while we were sleeping.
The
trauma so upset us that my wife would not remember it for a long time.
I thought I had just dreamed it for some time. We haven't brought it up
to
our Daughter ever because she hopefully has no memory of it as she was
only 4 or 5.
There have been a few times over the years that we found ourselves, in
situations that we transited without any problem but the dice could
roll
the other way sometime.
I don't carry but have, in the past, in the course of my job.
We've been broken into one other time and had different vehicles
vandalized several times. Dirt in the gas ruined children's little four
wheelers. Daughter's truck has had fuel filters changed and line
flushed
three times. Boat motor almost ruined by someone putting water in the
tank. We live in a rural area and have great LEOs. Most of the time we
simply said nothing because, there was nothing to be gained except for
the
one time and we were so traumatized that we denied it happened for a
long
while.
The need to protect one's self and their family is great. A firearm is
appropriate, in many situations.


I live in a fairly remote area. We have a very active neighborhood watch
(unofficial) system... phone tree and people who check around regularly.
We've had a few situations of unwanted "guests" checking out people's
property, but the worst case in my memory (only been here about five
years)
was some low-lifes who stole a few things on someone's property. Someone
got
their description and car license, and they were caught pretty quickly.
I
have a 20-gauge but it's not like I could get it out and ready that
quickly.
My neighbor wanted to give me a handgun for my b-day, because I'm the
only
resident in my house, but passed. I have pepper spray. I have no
objection
to handguns, but I don't feel like I need one. I have good locks, but
most
people don't really lock up their house around here. Sometimes I do, but
only if I'm not at the house.



There are nuts everywhere. Locking your house should be your first step.
A handgun is an option to consider.

Rob (NRA Life Member)


Don't usually feel the need to lock it... when I go to sleep or if I'm
feeling particularly creeped out after watching a horror flick. I just
re-watched Nightmare on Elm Street last night. So, I locked the doors (and
windows and cars).

--
Nom=de=Plume

Good Lord...don't you get enough of the Kruger family here in wrecked.boats?

Speaking of getting creeped out. Imagine how Mrs. Kruger feels.