"Eddie" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:37:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Perhaps we should outlaw public spitting also.
I drive for the local transit authority (VTA). Get caught spitting on
VTA property, ie, buses, bus stops, bus shelters, rail platforms, etc.
$250 fine and 48 hours community work.
Eddie


Yes, but you don't put people in jail for committing a felony.

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:59:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eddie" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:37:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:




Perhaps we should outlaw public spitting also.
I drive for the local transit authority (VTA). Get caught spitting on
VTA property, ie, buses, bus stops, bus shelters, rail platforms, etc.
$250 fine and 48 hours community work.
Eddie


Yes, but you don't put people in jail for committing a felony.
A felony? You bet your misdemeanor we do. A felony is a serious
crime and will more than not get you a serious jail sentence. Of
course there are degrees, such as murder 1st vs 2nd degree, etc.
Tagging is considered a felony if property damage exceeds a certain
amount. I think it's $200 in CA. There have been some people, mostly
young Latinos who have been caught tagging their gang signs that have
been sent to prison (not jail) for 5 years.
Eddie
however, most misdemeanors will not result in jail sentences. But one
can get jailed for no more than one year in a county jail depending on
the decision of the court.

"Eddie" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:59:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eddie" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:37:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:




Perhaps we should outlaw public spitting also.
I drive for the local transit authority (VTA). Get caught spitting on
VTA property, ie, buses, bus stops, bus shelters, rail platforms, etc.
$250 fine and 48 hours community work.
Eddie


Yes, but you don't put people in jail for committing a felony.
A felony? You bet your misdemeanor we do. A felony is a serious
crime and will more than not get you a serious jail sentence. Of
course there are degrees, such as murder 1st vs 2nd degree, etc.
Tagging is considered a felony if property damage exceeds a certain
amount. I think it's $200 in CA. There have been some people, mostly
young Latinos who have been caught tagging their gang signs that have
been sent to prison (not jail) for 5 years.
Eddie
however, most misdemeanors will not result in jail sentences. But one
can get jailed for no more than one year in a county jail depending on
the decision of the court.


Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about spitting on your bus or
whatever. I don't think spitting qualifies.


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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:23:35 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:18:50 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:11:32 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:37:42 -0800, jps wrote:


This is what passes for sanity in Texas...

A Texas teenager who was sentenced to eight years in prison for
graffiti and marijuana possession has had his sentence reduced under
new state legal guidelines.

Corpus Christi Judge Marisela Saldana sentenced 18-year-old Sebastian
Perez to eight years in prison last week for three counts of graffiti
and one count of marijuana possession, giving Perez the maximum
two-year sentence for each charge. Both crimes are felonies under
Texas law.

But a new law that took effect in the state this fall means judges can
no longer "stack" consecutive sentences in cases like Perez's, and on
Friday Perez had his sentence reduced to two years, according to
KIII-TV in Corpus Christi.

Perez broke down in sobs last week when a visibly irate Judge Saldana
scolded him for his six-month graffiti spree and handed down the
eight-year sentence.

"My question to you, Sebastian Perez, [is] why do you pick on these
other fine citizens of Corpus Christi, why don't you knock yourself
out spraying, tagging, marking on your girlfriend's house, her
mother's house, your friend's house, your mother's house," Saldana
said at the original sentencing. "Knock yourself out."

Deanna McQueen, the Corpus Christi police force's graffiti enforcer,
said the eight-year sentence was an appropriate deterrent to other
taggers, and declared, "It was a good day ... for the citizens of
Corpus Christi."

The Corpus Christi Caller-Times reported that the damage to private
property from Perez's tagging amounted to $7,300. Blogger Will Sherman
at Animal New York calculates that the cost to taxpayers of
incarcerating Perez for eight years in Texas would have amounted to
$140,000.

This is not the first case of taggers receiving lengthy sentences in
Corpus Christi. Last summer, 19-year-old Ralph Mirabal was sentenced
to three concurrent sentences of eight years for graffiti damage to
some 30 properties. Mirabal had reneged on a plea deal to join the
Army, and was given a lengthy sentence as a result.

We agree on one thing.... the anti-stacking law is nuts....

Well, looks like we'll have to keep looking for any consensus.

You'd like judges to be able to put a graphitti artist in prison for 8
years. $140,000 in taxpayer funds to help expose a stupid kid to real
criminals into a lifetime career. Sounds like real common sense.

Oh, no..... absolutely not. I'm already on record for requiring
solitary.... especially for gang members and wannabes.

Wanna share your criminal knowledge with others? Whisper it to your
pillow.....

Solitary for being in a gang or commiting a crime while a gang member?

So, you'd like to single out one group of assholes for special
treatment? How about Klan members, them too? Neo Nazis? American
Taliban? Southern Baptists?

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:20:22 -0500, Gene
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:24:22 -0800, jps wrote:

Aren't you the guy who just got through arguing about us vs. them?

Are "they" all gang bangers now?

Well, that's probably a good question!

So, tell me, what are they tagging? Still lifes? Landscapes? Studies
in the human form?

Or....... ? What......... exactly.....? Innocent scribbles?

Lots of it is just artwork or someone trying to make themselves famous
in the hood. Sometimes it's a gang member tagging territory.

But you group every graphitti artist as a gang member which is simply
not true. Many of them are simply artists who get off on doing public
art illegally. That's the sort of thing you get a pubilc service
sentence for, not prison.

Ever seen a spontaneous art installation? Don't suppose they have
those sorts of expressions in the south, unless it's the Klan burning
a cross. Spontaneous art installations pop up around here all the
time, including sculpture. Graphitti may be illegal but it doesn't
have to be related to criminals or crime.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:14:40 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:20:22 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:24:22 -0800, jps wrote:

Aren't you the guy who just got through arguing about us vs. them?

Are "they" all gang bangers now?

Well, that's probably a good question!

So, tell me, what are they tagging? Still lifes? Landscapes? Studies
in the human form?

Or....... ? What......... exactly.....? Innocent scribbles?

Crickets.....

Oh golly, sorry I wasn't monitoring your every post. I was at a
friend's 50th birthday party. Sorry I took the time to celebrate with
them, I should have been at my post when you rang.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:34:35 -0800, jps wrote:


Lots of it is just artwork or someone trying to make themselves famous
in the hood.

A lot of it is art, but the problem, besides the defacing of other
people's property, is a lot of it is just garbage. Some graffiti adds a
nice bit of color to a drab city, but ... Still, eight years in the can,
seems a little excessive.

Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about spitting on your bus or
whatever. I don't think spitting qualifies.
OK, I was confused since you said:
"Yes, but you don't put people in jail for committing a felony."

As for spitting (legal term: expectoration) no, of course no one would
go to jail for that. And come to think of it, it may not be even a
misdemeanor. It might just be an infraction, which is one step down
from a misdemeanor. Much like a traffic ticket.
Eddie

"Eddie" wrote in message
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Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about spitting on your bus or
whatever. I don't think spitting qualifies.
OK, I was confused since you said:
"Yes, but you don't put people in jail for committing a felony."

As for spitting (legal term: expectoration) no, of course no one would
go to jail for that. And come to think of it, it may not be even a
misdemeanor. It might just be an infraction, which is one step down
from a misdemeanor. Much like a traffic ticket.
Eddie



Cool. In any case, I will refrain.

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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:35:44 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:14:40 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:20:22 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:24:22 -0800, jps wrote:

Aren't you the guy who just got through arguing about us vs. them?

Are "they" all gang bangers now?

Well, that's probably a good question!

So, tell me, what are they tagging? Still lifes? Landscapes? Studies
in the human form?

Or....... ? What......... exactly.....? Innocent scribbles?

Crickets.....

Oh golly, sorry I wasn't monitoring your every post. I was at a
friend's 50th birthday party. Sorry I took the time to celebrate with
them, I should have been at my post when you rang.

Speaking of Crickets....