On Dec 20, 12:59*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:6sasi5pjqadv4h28019s4oomeegs5st3uh@4ax .com...



On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re....

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

But this kind of reply bothers me. *"Cherry pick"? *It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. *Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. *This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. *It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.

No, fraud is not "rampant." Fraud exists in most programs.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Then, D'Plume. You think that fraud can be measured? Tell us, how
much fraud must be in each programme to be classified as "rampant?

We rely on your vastly advantageous and expedient knowledge.

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 12:59 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:6sasi5pjqadv4h28019s4oomeegs5st3uh@4ax .com...



On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.

No, fraud is not "rampant." Fraud exists in most programs.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Then, D'Plume. You think that fraud can be measured? Tell us, how
much fraud must be in each programme to be classified as "rampant?

We rely on your vastly advantageous and expedient knowledge.


Instead of being a little sh*t, why don't you try being polite for once.

Of course, fraud can be measured. It's measured all the time.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Dec 20, 1:17*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker





wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re....

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks!

But this kind of reply bothers me. *"Cherry pick"? *It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. *Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. *This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. *It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political.

Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker





wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...
Huh - how about that...
It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.
I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks!
But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political.


I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up.
Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a
cash cow for those so inclined to game the system.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker





wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...
Huh - how about that...
It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.
I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks!
But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political.


I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up.
Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a cash
cow for those so inclined to game the system.


I thought you might be rational. I was wrong.

--
Nom=de=Plume

D.Duck wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker





wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...
It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.
I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks!
But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political.


I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up.
Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a
cash cow for those so inclined to game the system.

I think The big O had his fingers crossed when he promised to address
that problem.

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-cbo-estimate/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...l-require-hom/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...earth-cooling/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...en-treaty-thr/

And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually
good for the environment:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-not-pollutan/

Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-cbo-estimate/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...l-require-hom/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...earth-cooling/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...en-treaty-thr/

And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually
good for the environment:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-not-pollutan/

The gist of Tom's post was the "cap and trade" fraud in Europe and the
potential for the same here in the US. Do you disagree with that premise?

On 12/20/09 10:43 AM, D.Duck wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-cbo-estimate/


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...l-require-hom/


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...earth-cooling/


http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...en-treaty-thr/


And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually
good for the environment:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-not-pollutan/


The gist of Tom's post was the "cap and trade" fraud in Europe and the
potential for the same here in the US. Do you disagree with that premise?


Tom has devolved into a political pseudo-scientist who goes shopping for
crap he thinks proves his points.

Harry wrote:
On 12/20/09 10:43 AM, D.Duck wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...


Huh - how about that...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-cbo-estimate/



http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...l-require-hom/



http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...earth-cooling/



http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...en-treaty-thr/



And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually
good for the environment:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-not-pollutan/



The gist of Tom's post was the "cap and trade" fraud in Europe and the
potential for the same here in the US. Do you disagree with that premise?


Tom has devolved into a political pseudo-scientist who goes shopping for
crap he thinks proves his points.


As if he's the only one here who does that.