David E. Crable had guns. Lots of guns.

When he was arrested May 28 at his Spanaway home after his brother
accused him of assault, investigators found a cache of rifles and
handguns. The weapons were listed in a court document filed after the
arrest: Two 30.06 rifles, a .223 Bushmaster rifle, an AK47 remake, a
sniper rifle, a .357 revolver, and a Glock 27, among others.

Now, three days after Crable was killed after shooting two Pierce
County sheriff's deputies, the FBI and the federal Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are looking into the collection of
weapons to find out whether all were purchased legally, said sheriff's
spokesman Sgt. Ed Troyer. It wasn't immediately known whether any of
the weapons found at the home in May were used to shoot the deputies.

"We want to understand where they came from, Troyer said Wednesday.
"Were they stolen, and were they sold to him illegally?"

Sheriff's Sgt. Nick Hausner and Deputy Kent Mundell were summoned to
an Eatonville-area home by Crable's brother, Jason, who reported his
brother was "drunk and belligerent" and an unwanted guest. According
to Troyer, Hausner and Mundell persuaded the intoxicated David Crable
to leave the home.

Crable had agreed to leave the home with the deputies, with the
promise that he wouldn't be arrested or detained, Troyer said. But he
pulled out a handgun hidden in a shirt that was tucked under his arm
and opened fire at almost point-blank range.

Mundell, Troyer said, was shot several times but managed to return
fire. He then was shot multiple times again before Crable collapsed,
Troyer said. It's unclear whether Hausner fired any shots.

On Wednesday, Troyer said detectives had spoken to Hausner and he
reaffirmed the details. A crime scene re-creation also has reaffirmed
the scenario, Troyer added.

Hausner, 43, who has been with the Sheriff's Department for 20 years,
was listed in stable condition Wednesday at Madigan Army Medical
Center at Fort Lewis.

Troyer said there is still hope that Hausner will be able to return
home by Christmas Day.

Mundell, a deputy for nearly 10 years, is listed in critical condition
in the intensive-care unit of Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.

In the May incident, deputies were summoned to the Spanaway home David
Crable shared with his mother after his brother said he had been
threatened.

The deputies also later learned that Crable also had allegedly
assaulted his then-15-year-old daughter. She said Crable brandished a
knife at her, slapped her on the back of the head several times, and
shoved her into a corner. The girl also said her father "grabbed the
back of her head and shoved her face up against the wall," according
to a report of the incident. She had a cut on her chin from the
altercation.

Crable's brother, whose given name is Edward but who goes by Jason,
told the officers that Crable grabbed him by the throat and pushed him
out of the house. When Jason Crable got in his car, his brother came
out with a knife and slashed all the tires, the report states.

When deputies asked to talk to David Crable, he wouldn't come out of
the house, according to the report. After numerous attempts, Crable
relented and agreed to speak with the deputies, who asked him whether
he had any weapons. He responded "he had enough weapons to have taken
us out at anytime," the report states.

A deputy in the sheriff's Domestic Violence Unit told the responding
officers to leave the weapons in the house, according to a report of
the incident.

Crable was charged with assault and malicious mischief. When he was
released on bail, the judge ordered that he not possess any weapons.

He ultimately pleaded guilty to malicious mischief and weapons charges
in connection with the knife. A Superior Court judge sentenced Grable
to one year in jail on each count but suspended 364 days on both
sentences. The judge also placed him on probation for two years,
ordered him to pay fines and restitution, attend parenting classes and
have "no hostile contact" with his brother, according to court
records.

But in the plea agreement, there was no indication that Crable was
barred from possessing firearms. Under state law, his conviction did
not preclude him from owning guns.

Troyer said while much of the investigation is now focused on the
firearms, the department's chief concern is the welfare of the two
wounded deputies.

"Our main concern right now is our deputy and our sergeant in the
hospital; secondary are the weapons," he said.

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Danny Westneat

Seattle Times staff columnist

When our latest cop-shooter, David Crable, showed that he was
suicidal, violent and abusing alcohol, the courts in October cracked
down on his use of a dangerous piece of machinery.

His car.

But not his guns.

"I am afraid to be in my own home with him because of the many guns he
owns," his mother told the court in May.

"He carried a gun on himself at all times," said his Eatonville
neighbor, Bobby Brown, Tuesday morning after Crable allegedly ambushed
two Pierce County deputies, firing an estimated 10 shots from a few
feet away.

This case says it all about how blasé our society is about guns.
Here's a guy with a "long history of terrorizing his family." He
threatens his brother and his mother. He talks about shooting himself.
In June he pulls a knife on his teenage daughter and shoves her face
against a wall.

"He has a little bit of a history of having weapons, he has multiple
restraining orders against him from family members that he's
terrorized, he does have convictions of domestic violence, and we have
taken weapons from him before," summed up spokesman Ed Troyer of the
Sheriff's Office.

Yet the courts order him to attend parenting classes.

And, due to a 2-year-old drunken-driving incident, to install an
ignition-interlock device on his Corvette.

As for his guns? Nothing.

Those Corvettes, you've got to register them with the state. You have
to pass a test to drive them. If you show you're sometimes too drunk
to operate a Corvette in a safe manner, then we'll try to use
technology to prevent you from starting the machine at all.

Why? Because it's dangerous.

But guns? For the most part, it's do as you please. No way for police
to know whether you've got one or an entire arsenal. Not even when
you're violent, suicidal and terrorizing your family.

It's not the police or the courts' fault. They're operating by the
rules we've set up. Which with guns is, barely any rules at all.

Before the gun toters go all Second Amendment on me, I have always
felt the Constitution grants a broad right to own guns. The U.S.
Supreme Court has settled that issue, anyway.

But rights aren't unlimited. There's nothing that bars gun
registration. Or testing. Or, say, letting police track guns, with
licensing or the use of microchips.

Or how about this: taking guns away from you after you threaten your
15-year-old daughter with a knife.

Now it's true: People like Crable aren't known for obeying. Maybe
there was no way to prevent the seventh and eighth local police
officers from being shot in the past two months.

Tougher laws might not have stopped the first police shooting. That
alleged perp, Christopher Monfort, had no criminal past.

Maurice Clemmons was already barred from owning guns. Somehow he
showed up that Sunday in a Pierce County coffee shop carrying a 9-mm
handgun and a .38-caliber revolver, which he got from who knows where.

Laws often won't stop the lethal combo of determined plus crazy.

But here's the nagging thing — with guns we aren't even trying.

All the sobriety checkpoints and ignition-lock devices don't rid us of
drunken drivers either. But they help. At least society gets the
message that it matters.

With guns, it's another shooting, another collective shrug. Just the
way it is, we say. Nothing to be done.

I sense the cops have had about enough of that line of argument. You
could hear it in the plea Tuesday of Pierce County Sheriff Paul
Pastor.

"They risk themselves for perfect strangers," he said of his officers.

"We need to ask ourselves how we support people like that, how we back
them, if they are going to stand in our stead, how we help them
protect us. I would like to see the community engage in those
questions and that dialogue so that we don't meet under these
circumstances."

He didn't get specific. I will. Unless we start taking guns as
seriously as Corvettes, it's all but certain we're going to be meeting
like this again.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Danny Westneat

Seattle Times staff columnist

When our latest cop-shooter, David Crable, showed that he was
suicidal, violent and abusing alcohol, the courts in October cracked
down on his use of a dangerous piece of machinery.

His car.

But not his guns.

"I am afraid to be in my own home with him because of the many guns he
owns," his mother told the court in May.

"He carried a gun on himself at all times," said his Eatonville
neighbor, Bobby Brown, Tuesday morning after Crable allegedly ambushed
two Pierce County deputies, firing an estimated 10 shots from a few
feet away.

This case says it all about how blasé our society is about guns.
Here's a guy with a "long history of terrorizing his family." He
threatens his brother and his mother. He talks about shooting himself.
In June he pulls a knife on his teenage daughter and shoves her face
against a wall.

"He has a little bit of a history of having weapons, he has multiple
restraining orders against him from family members that he's
terrorized, he does have convictions of domestic violence, and we have
taken weapons from him before," summed up spokesman Ed Troyer of the
Sheriff's Office.

Yet the courts order him to attend parenting classes.

And, due to a 2-year-old drunken-driving incident, to install an
ignition-interlock device on his Corvette.

As for his guns? Nothing.

Those Corvettes, you've got to register them with the state. You have
to pass a test to drive them. If you show you're sometimes too drunk
to operate a Corvette in a safe manner, then we'll try to use
technology to prevent you from starting the machine at all.

Why? Because it's dangerous.

But guns? For the most part, it's do as you please. No way for police
to know whether you've got one or an entire arsenal. Not even when
you're violent, suicidal and terrorizing your family.

It's not the police or the courts' fault. They're operating by the
rules we've set up. Which with guns is, barely any rules at all.

Before the gun toters go all Second Amendment on me, I have always
felt the Constitution grants a broad right to own guns. The U.S.
Supreme Court has settled that issue, anyway.

But rights aren't unlimited. There's nothing that bars gun
registration. Or testing. Or, say, letting police track guns, with
licensing or the use of microchips.

Or how about this: taking guns away from you after you threaten your
15-year-old daughter with a knife.

Now it's true: People like Crable aren't known for obeying. Maybe
there was no way to prevent the seventh and eighth local police
officers from being shot in the past two months.

Tougher laws might not have stopped the first police shooting. That
alleged perp, Christopher Monfort, had no criminal past.

Maurice Clemmons was already barred from owning guns. Somehow he
showed up that Sunday in a Pierce County coffee shop carrying a 9-mm
handgun and a .38-caliber revolver, which he got from who knows where.

Laws often won't stop the lethal combo of determined plus crazy.

But here's the nagging thing — with guns we aren't even trying.

All the sobriety checkpoints and ignition-lock devices don't rid us of
drunken drivers either. But they help. At least society gets the
message that it matters.

With guns, it's another shooting, another collective shrug. Just the
way it is, we say. Nothing to be done.

I sense the cops have had about enough of that line of argument. You
could hear it in the plea Tuesday of Pierce County Sheriff Paul
Pastor.

"They risk themselves for perfect strangers," he said of his officers.

"We need to ask ourselves how we support people like that, how we back
them, if they are going to stand in our stead, how we help them
protect us. I would like to see the community engage in those
questions and that dialogue so that we don't meet under these
circumstances."

He didn't get specific. I will. Unless we start taking guns as
seriously as Corvettes, it's all but certain we're going to be meeting
like this again.



You sure have too much time on your hands.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

I have a ****load of guns at my Huntingtown estate. Do you think I have
an NRA sticker on my Toyota?
Moron!


--

It's flattering to see so many of you turds spoofing me.

On Dec 24, 1:05*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. *Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

No, he's not a typical NRA supporter. I am.and I would wager he didn't
have a NRA sticker on his truck, that is even if he had a truck. I
dont' have a sticker on any of my cars. of course,I dont' have
anyone's stickers on my vehicles.

"No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article. "

On 12/24/09 8:45 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 24, 1:05 am, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

No, he's not a typical NRA supporter. I am.and I would wager he didn't
have a NRA sticker on his truck, that is even if he had a truck. I
dont' have a sticker on any of my cars. of course,I dont' have
anyone's stickers on my vehicles.


I have some firearms, and would not even *consider* joining the NRA.

On Dec 24, 7:02*am, Harry wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. *Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

I have a ****load of guns at my Huntingtown estate. Do you think I have
an NRA sticker on my Toyota?
Moron!

--

It's flattering to see so many of you turds spoofing me.

Are you really addressing me?