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Is the recent cold due to weather or climate change? Most of us
consider "climate" to be the long term "weather" or a sort of average over many years whereas "weather" is the short term pattern. However, there could be a sudden long term change so that what we see as weather becomes "climate". Consider that the heat capacity of the atmosphere is small compared to that of the oceans. In the long natural warming period from about 1880 till the late 1990s, the ocean had time to warm up. It took that long due to its large heat capacity but this long time to heat is often reffered to as "thermal Inertia". Similarly, it will take a long time to cool down as the suns activity decreases. However, as the suns activity decreases, the atmosphere cools rapidly due to its low heat capacity. This cooling is primarily due to radiation into space OTOH, warming should not rapidly occurr if the oceans are cooler than the atmosphere because the atmosphere then loses heat to the oceans by conduction and convection. If one looks at the sunspot activity that has been tracked since the 1700s, you see a direct corellation between activity and temps with low temps in the mid to late 1800s rising until the late 1990s the same as sunspot activity. We have latelly been seeing historically low sunspot activity and we also see historically low temps. If this is a long term solar pattern, one would expect that the cooler temps actually are the result of "Climate change". |
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On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:07 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: Is the recent cold due to weather or climate change? Most of us consider "climate" to be the long term "weather" or a sort of average over many years whereas "weather" is the short term pattern. However, there could be a sudden long term change so that what we see as weather becomes "climate". Consider that the heat capacity of the atmosphere is small compared to that of the oceans. In the long natural warming period from about 1880 till the late 1990s, the ocean had time to warm up. It took that long due to its large heat capacity but this long time to heat is often reffered to as "thermal Inertia". Similarly, it will take a long time to cool down as the suns activity decreases. However, as the suns activity decreases, the atmosphere cools rapidly due to its low heat capacity. This cooling is primarily due to radiation into space OTOH, warming should not rapidly occurr if the oceans are cooler than the atmosphere because the atmosphere then loses heat to the oceans by conduction and convection. If one looks at the sunspot activity that has been tracked since the 1700s, you see a direct corellation between activity and temps with low temps in the mid to late 1800s rising until the late 1990s the same as sunspot activity. We have latelly been seeing historically low sunspot activity and we also see historically low temps. If this is a long term solar pattern, one would expect that the cooler temps actually are the result of "Climate change". You're late to the party - I've been hollering about this for two years - here and elsewhere. :) |
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On Jan 7, 12:10*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:07 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: Is the recent cold due to weather or climate change? *Most of us consider "climate" to be the long term "weather" or a sort of average over many years whereas "weather" is the short term pattern. However, there could be a sudden long term change so that what we see as weather becomes "climate". *Consider that the heat capacity of the atmosphere is small compared to that of the oceans. *In the long natural warming period from about 1880 till the late 1990s, the ocean had time to warm up. *It took that long due to its large heat capacity but this long time to heat is often reffered to as "thermal Inertia". Similarly, it will take a long time to cool down as the suns activity decreases. *However, as the suns activity decreases, the atmosphere cools rapidly due to its low heat capacity. *This cooling is primarily due to radiation into space OTOH, warming should not rapidly occurr if the oceans are cooler than the atmosphere because the atmosphere then loses heat to the oceans by conduction and convection. If one looks at the sunspot activity that has been tracked since the 1700s, you see a direct corellation between activity and temps with low temps in the mid to late 1800s rising until the late 1990s the same as sunspot activity. *We have latelly been seeing historically low sunspot activity and we also see historically low temps. *If this is a long term solar pattern, one would expect that the cooler temps actually are the result of "Climate change". *You're late to the party - I've been hollering about this for two years - here and elsewhere. *:) Check this out, Solar magnetic index is at an historic low: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/0...ve/#more-14980 Get prepared for some more cold |
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:10:58 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
You're late to the party - I've been hollering about this for two years - here and elsewhere. :) Only the foolish fall for your crap ?;-) It's the economy stupid. You are the one that is late and it is no party. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
Is the recent cold due to weather or climate change? Most of us consider "climate" to be the long term "weather" or a sort of average over many years whereas "weather" is the short term pattern. However, there could be a sudden long term change so that what we see as weather becomes "climate". Consider that the heat capacity of the atmosphere is small compared to that of the oceans. In the long natural warming period from about 1880 till the late 1990s, the ocean had time to warm up. It took that long due to its large heat capacity but this long time to heat is often reffered to as "thermal Inertia". Similarly, it will take a long time to cool down as the suns activity decreases. However, as the suns activity decreases, the atmosphere cools rapidly due to its low heat capacity. This cooling is primarily due to radiation into space OTOH, warming should not rapidly occurr if the oceans are cooler than the atmosphere because the atmosphere then loses heat to the oceans by conduction and convection. If one looks at the sunspot activity that has been tracked since the 1700s, you see a direct corellation between activity and temps with low temps in the mid to late 1800s rising until the late 1990s the same as sunspot activity. We have latelly been seeing historically low sunspot activity and we also see historically low temps. If this is a long term solar pattern, one would expect that the cooler temps actually are the result of "Climate change". Keep on drinking and you will figure it out. |
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:27:23 -0500, John H
wrote: Frogwatch wrote: Is the recent cold due to weather or climate change? Most of us consider "climate" to be the long term "weather" or a sort of average over many years whereas "weather" is the short term pattern. However, there could be a sudden long term change so that what we see as weather becomes "climate". Consider that the heat capacity of the atmosphere is small compared to that of the oceans. In the long natural warming period from about 1880 till the late 1990s, the ocean had time to warm up. It took that long due to its large heat capacity but this long time to heat is often reffered to as "thermal Inertia". Similarly, it will take a long time to cool down as the suns activity decreases. However, as the suns activity decreases, the atmosphere cools rapidly due to its low heat capacity. This cooling is primarily due to radiation into space OTOH, warming should not rapidly occurr if the oceans are cooler than the atmosphere because the atmosphere then loses heat to the oceans by conduction and convection. If one looks at the sunspot activity that has been tracked since the 1700s, you see a direct corellation between activity and temps with low temps in the mid to late 1800s rising until the late 1990s the same as sunspot activity. We have latelly been seeing historically low sunspot activity and we also see historically low temps. If this is a long term solar pattern, one would expect that the cooler temps actually are the result of "Climate change". Keep on drinking and you will figure it out. Thunderbird on a Mac? Harry, you're really hurting, aren't you. If you would try to be nice, you could probably get someone to talk to you. |
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