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On Jan 11, 6:55*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:02 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 10, 10:05*am, John H wrote: ....can't blow a hole in an airplane. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2773940934022# or:http://tinyurl.com/ybaez5v -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. John, if the guy had that much applied to his thigh, I think the best that could have happened is that when it went off, it would have guarenteed that he couldn't infest his genetics into anyone else ?;^ Q And that was only a drop! The x rays or whatever they showed in the early days showed it to be a bundle about the size of a tube of tooth paste... Quite a bit of explosive there if he had the kind in the video... That could take down a plane, easy... Blow it in half for sure. I am assuming here however the video posted is accurate...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You would be wrong. From the passnger compartment it is difficult to place explosive on a critical component in an aircraft. Unless directionally controlled explosives dissipate their force equally over the entire sphere. That force diminishes exponentially with distance. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:37:09 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:
I don't know which part you are calling wrong. From what I saw, the video showed a drop dissipating a watermelon. From what I saw, the amount of material this guy had was about the size of a small tube of toothpaste. Hundreds of thousands of "drops", in that area. Why would you not think the force would blow the aircraft in half right there at that point over the wing? Seems to me it would. There was also a demonstration at one point of the amount of explosive in the shoe bombers shoe and it blew the plane to pieces. PETN is a very powerful explosive, but in the amount used, it is very unlikely that it could blow an airplane in half by itself. It's my understanding Abdulmutallab had @ 80 grams of the stuff. You are right, that is about the size of a *small* tube of toothpaste. From my reading, if the PETN had detonated properly, a somewhat difficult matter in itself, and it was held against the plane's fuselage, as it was, it would most likely have blown a small hole in the plane. At altitude, with the resulting decompression, it is quite likely it could have brought the plane down. At the lower altitude, where he attempted to detonate the charge, it is quite likely the plane would have made a successful landing. Either way, I would not want to be on the plane, and it was clearly and attempt to kill several hundred people. |
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On Jan 12, 1:37*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article c7993f80-2b13-4835-9900-485670830134 @h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 11, 6:55*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:02 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 10, 10:05*am, John H wrote: ....can't blow a hole in an airplane. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2773940934022# or:http://tinyurl.com/ybaez5v -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. John, if the guy had that much applied to his thigh, I think the best that could have happened is that when it went off, it would have guarenteed that he couldn't infest his genetics into anyone else ?;^ Q And that was only a drop! The x rays or whatever they showed in the early days showed it to be a bundle about the size of a tube of tooth paste... Quite a bit of explosive there if he had the kind in the video... That could take down a plane, easy... Blow it in half for sure. I am assuming here however the video posted is accurate...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You would be wrong. *From the passnger compartment it is difficult to place explosive on a critical component in an aircraft. *Unless directionally controlled explosives dissipate their force equally over the entire sphere. *That force diminishes exponentially with distance.. I don't know which part you are calling wrong. From what I saw, the video showed a drop dissipating a watermelon. From what I saw, the amount of material this guy had was about the size of a small tube of toothpaste. Hundreds of thousands of "drops", in that area. Why would you not think the force would blow the aircraft in half right there at that point over the wing? Seems to me it would. There was also a demonstration at one point of the amount of explosive in the shoe bombers shoe and it blew the plane to pieces.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Blowing up a watermelon and blowing up a plane have little in common. From the passenger compartment the most either of those bombers could have done was to blow a hole in the fuselage. Not enough to crash the plane. But both tried to detonate the material while it was still on them. Not while it was pressed against a window or wall. The shoe bomber would have blown a hole in the floor and his foot/lower leg off. The crotch bomber would have absorbed at least half the blast or more with his body. Another significant amount would have been wasted on the seat materials. Neither was successful in detonating. They were clearly both kooks and working alone. A well planned attack would have at least tested their detonation mechanism. |
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jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jan 12, 1:37 pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article c7993f80-2b13-4835-9900-485670830134 @h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 11, 6:55 pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:41:02 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 10, 10:05 am, John H wrote: ....can't blow a hole in an airplane. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2773940934022# or:http://tinyurl.com/ybaez5v -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. John, if the guy had that much applied to his thigh, I think the best that could have happened is that when it went off, it would have guarenteed that he couldn't infest his genetics into anyone else ?;^ Q And that was only a drop! The x rays or whatever they showed in the early days showed it to be a bundle about the size of a tube of tooth paste... Quite a bit of explosive there if he had the kind in the video... That could take down a plane, easy... Blow it in half for sure. I am assuming here however the video posted is accurate...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You would be wrong. From the passnger compartment it is difficult to place explosive on a critical component in an aircraft. Unless directionally controlled explosives dissipate their force equally over the entire sphere. That force diminishes exponentially with distance. I don't know which part you are calling wrong. From what I saw, the video showed a drop dissipating a watermelon. From what I saw, the amount of material this guy had was about the size of a small tube of toothpaste. Hundreds of thousands of "drops", in that area. Why would you not think the force would blow the aircraft in half right there at that point over the wing? Seems to me it would. There was also a demonstration at one point of the amount of explosive in the shoe bombers shoe and it blew the plane to pieces.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Blowing up a watermelon and blowing up a plane have little in common. From the passenger compartment the most either of those bombers could have done was to blow a hole in the fuselage. Not enough to crash the plane. But both tried to detonate the material while it was still on them. Not while it was pressed against a window or wall. The shoe bomber would have blown a hole in the floor and his foot/lower leg off. The crotch bomber would have absorbed at least half the blast or more with his body. Another significant amount would have been wasted on the seat materials. Neither was successful in detonating. They were clearly both kooks and working alone. A well planned attack would have at least tested their detonation mechanism. Finally, a job possibility for tosk: detonation mechanism tester! -- Where others have hearts, right-wingers carry tumors of rotten principles. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:18:56 -0800, jamesgangnc wrote:
Blowing up a watermelon and blowing up a plane have little in common. From the passenger compartment the most either of those bombers could have done was to blow a hole in the fuselage. Not enough to crash the plane. But both tried to detonate the material while it was still on them. Not while it was pressed against a window or wall. The shoe bomber would have blown a hole in the floor and his foot/lower leg off. The crotch bomber would have absorbed at least half the blast or more with his body. Another significant amount would have been wasted on the seat materials. Neither was successful in detonating. They were clearly both kooks and working alone. A well planned attack would have at least tested their detonation mechanism. Yeah, but... I read one report that he had moved the explosive to his leg, and that the leg was held next to the fuselage. *If* that was the case, and the explosive had properly detonated, it could have brought the plane down. Maybe it's just me, but I think all suicide bombers are kooks. As to working alone, it's too early to be certain, but PETN isn't sold at the local Walmart. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:34:56 -0600, thunder
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:18:56 -0800, jamesgangnc wrote: Blowing up a watermelon and blowing up a plane have little in common. From the passenger compartment the most either of those bombers could have done was to blow a hole in the fuselage. Not enough to crash the plane. But both tried to detonate the material while it was still on them. Not while it was pressed against a window or wall. The shoe bomber would have blown a hole in the floor and his foot/lower leg off. The crotch bomber would have absorbed at least half the blast or more with his body. Another significant amount would have been wasted on the seat materials. Neither was successful in detonating. They were clearly both kooks and working alone. A well planned attack would have at least tested their detonation mechanism. Yeah, but... I read one report that he had moved the explosive to his leg, and that the leg was held next to the fuselage. *If* that was the case, and the explosive had properly detonated, it could have brought the plane down. Maybe it's just me, but I think all suicide bombers are kooks. As to working alone, it's too early to be certain, but PETN isn't sold at the local Walmart. No way was he working alone. He was schooled and set up by much more sophisticated assholes. |
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