Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that though, right?

--Mike

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

On Feb 7, 11:50*pm, "mgg" wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that though, right?

--Mike

"Frogwatch" wrote in message

...

Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. *After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. *Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. *That way, I will never pay slip fees either. *I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. *She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.

On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:50 pm, wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that though, right?

--Mike

wrote in message

...

Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.



I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.

My current Parker weighs 3000 pounds plus. No problems launching or
retrieving.

If you want to move faster, you want a powerboat with a bottom a bit
more aggressive than that on a tolman.

On Feb 7, 6:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. *After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. *Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. *That way, I will never pay slip fees either. *I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. *She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

When my dad was headed for the phillippenes in WW2, he said that he
and and several compaies were loaded onto an old Dutch steam vessel
that had been converted over to a troop transport which was contracted
to th US govtl

.. The only ventilation was provided by those huge horns on deck and
salt water showers with berths stacked 8 high down in the hold.
Blubbering across the south Pacific at 3-5 kt, he said it was the
sorriest time of his life. It stunk so bad down in the hold courtesy
of all the puke and pee, that most of the time they slept on deck when
they could.


Now that would be Slo-o-o-o-o-ow!

On Feb 8, 11:34*am, Tim wrote:
On Feb 7, 6:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. *After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. *Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. *That way, I will never pay slip fees either. *I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. *She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

When my dad was headed for the phillippenes in WW2, he said that he
and and several compaies were loaded onto an old Dutch steam vessel
that had been converted over to a troop transport which was contracted
to th US govtl

. The only ventilation was provided by those huge horns on deck and
salt water showers with berths stacked 8 high down in the hold.
Blubbering across the south Pacific at 3-5 kt, he said it was the
sorriest time of his life. It stunk *so bad down in the hold courtesy
of all the puke and pee, that most of the time they slept on deck when
they could.

*Now that would be Slo-o-o-o-o-ow!

The Tolman Jumbo has a transom deadrise of 14 degrees and much greater
amidships. My Standard Tolman has an 8 degree deadrise at the transom
and 14 amidships so i am not sure where it should \be counted.
However, if you go to the FishyFish Tolman site, you will find
accounts of Tolman voyages in the Alaskan waters in breaking seas over
20'. These were on more enclosed versions than my center console
Standard. They also had large scuppers.
BTW, Tolman has an interesting idea for the scuppers so they will
drain but not take in water shown on:.
http://woodenboatblog.com/taxonomy/term/1
Unfortunately it looks like hell but they can be removed when not
underway.

On 2/8/2010 11:23 AM, Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.


Harry when you sold your 25' Parker, the reason you said you sold it
because it was too hard to launch and retrieve single handed. You
really do need to keep a cheat sheet close by so you don't look silly.

On Feb 8, 10:48*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 8, 11:34*am, Tim wrote:





On Feb 7, 6:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. *After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. *Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. *That way, I will never pay slip fees either. *I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. *She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

When my dad was headed for the phillippenes in WW2, he said that he
and and several compaies were loaded onto an old Dutch steam vessel
that had been converted over to a troop transport which was contracted
to th US govtl

. The only ventilation was provided by those huge horns on deck and
salt water showers with berths stacked 8 high down in the hold.
Blubbering across the south Pacific at 3-5 kt, he said it was the
sorriest time of his life. It stunk *so bad down in the hold courtesy
of all the puke and pee, that most of the time they slept on deck when
they could.

*Now that would be Slo-o-o-o-o-ow!

The Tolman Jumbo has a transom deadrise of 14 degrees and much greater
amidships. *My Standard Tolman has an 8 degree deadrise at the transom
and 14 amidships so i am not sure where it should \be counted.
However, if you go to the FishyFish Tolman site, you will find
accounts of Tolman voyages in the Alaskan waters in breaking seas over
20'. *These were on more enclosed versions than my center console
Standard. *They also had large scuppers.
BTW, Tolman has an interesting idea for the scuppers so they will
drain but not take in water shown on:.http://woodenboatblog.com/taxonomy/term/1
Unfortunately it looks like hell but they can be removed when not
underway.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont't think they look that bad and leavign them on at dock might be
OK as long as they arn'tdock height to get smashed. Do they have one
pointed forward and one back?

On 2/8/10 12:04 PM, Don White wrote:
On 2/8/2010 11:23 AM, Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.


Harry when you sold your 25' Parker, the reason you said you sold it
because it was too hard to launch and retrieve single handed. You really
do need to keep a cheat sheet close by so you don't look silly.

More bull**** from the ID spoofing bull****ter.

On 2/8/2010 12:06 PM, Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 12:04 PM, Don White wrote:
On 2/8/2010 11:23 AM, Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.


Harry when you sold your 25' Parker, the reason you said you sold it
because it was too hard to launch and retrieve single handed. You really
do need to keep a cheat sheet close by so you don't look silly.

More bull**** from the ID spoofing bull****ter.


Harry, you better do what you told Tim to do, or one of these ass hole
will google up the post. They are the scum of the earth.