On 22/02/2010 2:52 AM, bpuharic wrote:

not a single econonist agrees with that. most estimate it created
about 1.5M jobs

Pulling numbers out your arse?

And how many jobs has it and will it destroy?

Factor in the economic instability of debt running out of control,
evenutual reality of people being taxed more to pay for it, leaving them
less to spend in the local economies.... business holding off to see who
gets the taxation screwing.

So how many jobs has LOL Obama cost us?

It is a myth that government can "create" jobs, they came from
somewhere. What creates jobs is the need for goods and services in a
fair cost environment.

Too bad conservates could not for the liberals to pay the bills for
their nonsence.

In article , says...

On 22/02/2010 2:52 AM, bpuharic wrote:

not a single econonist agrees with that. most estimate it created
about 1.5M jobs

Pulling numbers out your arse?

And how many jobs has it and will it destroy?

Factor in the economic instability of debt running out of control,
evenutual reality of people being taxed more to pay for it, leaving them
less to spend in the local economies.... business holding off to see who
gets the taxation screwing.

So how many jobs has LOL Obama cost us?

It is a myth that government can "create" jobs, they came from
somewhere. What creates jobs is the need for goods and services in a
fair cost environment.

Too bad conservates could not for the liberals to pay the bills for
their nonsence.

90% of the Jobs reported "saved or created" were faked here in CT and in most
other states too. We spent a whole summer with ten crews repairing one street
in town here, oh and they put some new islands and potted trees down the center
of the main road next town over. This gave several crews extra work throughout
the summer, a project which will cause more traffic tieups and deaths than the
road that was there before. And no jobs were created.

Period

--
Can I haz Cheezeburger?

I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says...
On 22/02/2010 2:52 AM, bpuharic wrote:

not a single econonist agrees with that. most estimate it created
about 1.5M jobs
Pulling numbers out your arse?

And how many jobs has it and will it destroy?

Factor in the economic instability of debt running out of control,
evenutual reality of people being taxed more to pay for it, leaving them
less to spend in the local economies.... business holding off to see who
gets the taxation screwing.

So how many jobs has LOL Obama cost us?

It is a myth that government can "create" jobs, they came from
somewhere. What creates jobs is the need for goods and services in a
fair cost environment.

Too bad conservates could not for the liberals to pay the bills for
their nonsence.

90% of the Jobs reported "saved or created" were faked here in CT and in most
other states too. We spent a whole summer with ten crews repairing one street
in town here, oh and they put some new islands and potted trees down the center
of the main road next town over. This gave several crews extra work throughout
the summer, a project which will cause more traffic tieups and deaths than the
road that was there before. And no jobs were created.

Period

Ayup. No jobs have been created. Just taxpayer money passed out to
'Bama pals.

Lib - Promise jobs, but deliver death.

On 2/23/10 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:48 -0600, Jim"Jim wrote:

Ayup. No jobs have been created. Just taxpayer money passed out to
'Bama pals.

There does seem to be a pattern here that the contractors who are
getting the jobs come from the "blue" counties, even if they have to
travel a couple hundred miles. The local guys here in Lee County say
they are not getting anything.
One of my excavation contractor friends did get a gig burying a dead
horse for $200 last week so I guess his job was "saved".

Unemployment is really a phony number unless you also look at
"underemployment". If an electrician is mowing lawns he is not
"unemployed" but he is certainly "underemployed" and he is not adding
much to the economy. He just put a Mexican, who was working off the
books, out of work.


Another visit to rec.boats, which I am sure will give some of the
righties here the closest thing they've had to a woodie in decades...

In the late 1990's I was dispatched to the Florida panhandle to write a
feature article about a family of constuction workers then in their
fourth generation of working union. The patriarch had move to Florida
from Memphis right after the Korean war. His sons, grandsons and a great
grandson were working construction, 19 in all, still all active, all in
the skilled trades.

They were working on two new schools and a powerplant in their area.
Same contractor, a Yankee unionized contractor who had worked the
Miami-Dade area for years. Local contractors were upset because he got
"their" work. The deal was, he underbid them by a substantial margin,
and he was unionized, paying union wages and fringes...a package that
was half again as large as the non-union local contractors were paying.
And even by underbidding, he was still making his normal profit.

The local contractors, a bunch of good ol' boys, were simply ripping off
everyone, including their employees.

The moral: there's more to bidding work than just bidding the work.

And now, my time here is up. Too many morons, but obviously not you,
gfret... :)

On 2/23/2010 12:29 PM, H the K wrote:
On 2/23/10 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:48 -0600, Jim"Jim wrote:

Ayup. No jobs have been created. Just taxpayer money passed out to
'Bama pals.

There does seem to be a pattern here that the contractors who are
getting the jobs come from the "blue" counties, even if they have to
travel a couple hundred miles. The local guys here in Lee County say
they are not getting anything.
One of my excavation contractor friends did get a gig burying a dead
horse for $200 last week so I guess his job was "saved".

Unemployment is really a phony number unless you also look at
"underemployment". If an electrician is mowing lawns he is not
"unemployed" but he is certainly "underemployed" and he is not adding
much to the economy. He just put a Mexican, who was working off the
books, out of work.


Another visit to rec.boats, which I am sure will give some of the
righties here the closest thing they've had to a woodie in decades...

In the late 1990's I was dispatched to the Florida panhandle to write a
feature article about a family of constuction workers then in their
fourth generation of working union. The patriarch had move to Florida
from Memphis right after the Korean war. His sons, grandsons and a great
grandson were working construction, 19 in all, still all active, all in
the skilled trades.

They were working on two new schools and a powerplant in their area.
Same contractor, a Yankee unionized contractor who had worked the
Miami-Dade area for years. Local contractors were upset because he got
"their" work. The deal was, he underbid them by a substantial margin,
and he was unionized, paying union wages and fringes...a package that
was half again as large as the non-union local contractors were paying.
And even by underbidding, he was still making his normal profit.

The local contractors, a bunch of good ol' boys, were simply ripping off
everyone, including their employees.

The moral: there's more to bidding work than just bidding the work.

And now, my time here is up. Too many morons, but obviously not you,
gfret... :)

Wow, you sure sound like a very important person, since the mid 90's
you spent all of your life posting over 100 posts a day. We sure were
blessed with your presence. We will all miss your camaraderie and words
of wisdom.

*e#c wrote:
On 2/23/2010 12:29 PM, H the K wrote:


Wow, you sure sound like a very important person, since the mid 90's you
spent all of your life posting over 100 posts a day. We sure were
blessed with your presence. We will all miss your camaraderie and words
of wisdom.

I cut his crap out. You should do the same.
That SOB ain't leaving the group. He probably just took a stab at us
from his laptop, then went fishing or babe-watching down there in Costa
Rica.

Lib - Spends money in Costa Rica, and mocks us here in the group. Low life.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:53:47 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/02/2010 2:52 AM, bpuharic wrote:

not a single econonist agrees with that. most estimate it created
about 1.5M jobs

Pulling numbers out your arse?

And how many jobs has it and will it destroy?

none so far. and i know you just listen to limballs for your news, but
no economist agrees with you. sorry


Factor in the economic instability of debt running out of control,
evenutual reality of people being taxed more to pay for it, leaving them
less to spend in the local economies.... business holding off to see who
gets the taxation screwing.

So how many jobs has LOL Obama cost us?

none. absolutely none.

bush, OTOH, cost millions.


It is a myth that government can "create" jobs, they came from
somewhere. What creates jobs is the need for goods and services in a
fair cost environment.

hmmm...space program...created jobs

internet...created jobs

you right wing fundies...always get it wrong

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:58:48 -0600, Jim "Jim wrote:



Lib - Promise jobs, but deliver death.

george bush wasn't liberal. and he murdered 4400 US troops

On 23/02/2010 7:49 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says...

On 22/02/2010 2:52 AM, bpuharic wrote:

not a single econonist agrees with that. most estimate it created
about 1.5M jobs

Pulling numbers out your arse?

And how many jobs has it and will it destroy?

Factor in the economic instability of debt running out of control,
evenutual reality of people being taxed more to pay for it, leaving them
less to spend in the local economies.... business holding off to see who
gets the taxation screwing.

So how many jobs has LOL Obama cost us?

It is a myth that government can "create" jobs, they came from
somewhere. What creates jobs is the need for goods and services in a
fair cost environment.

Too bad conservates could not for the liberals to pay the bills for
their nonsence.

90% of the Jobs reported "saved or created" were faked here in CT and in most
other states too. We spent a whole summer with ten crews repairing one street
in town here, oh and they put some new islands and potted trees down the center
of the main road next town over. This gave several crews extra work throughout
the summer, a project which will cause more traffic tieups and deaths than the
road that was there before. And no jobs were created.

Period

Yep, typical make governemtn work. I have seen this lots too.

On 23/02/2010 4:47 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Factor in the economic instability of debt running out of control,
evenutual reality of people being taxed more to pay for it, leaving them
less to spend in the local economies.... business holding off to see who
gets the taxation screwing.

So how many jobs has LOL Obama cost us?

none. absolutely none.

http://tinyurl.com/ycwcnfm

Now tell that to the people who have rolled off unemployment eligibility
and those to soon come.

Also not when it turned for the worse, that was about the time Obama won
the election. Smart money isn't investing in the USA as governmetn
racking up debt so fast, why invest in a country on a debt-death spiral?

All the presidents in pervious recessions did better.

Time to call it as it is, The Obama-Bank-Debt depression of 2008-20xx.

Obviously as Obama spends, more see employment futures dwindle.