On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started
and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than
yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right
number.

Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done
that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before
dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction.

On Apr 5, 10:29*am, hk wrote:
On 4/5/10 10:21 AM, Don White wrote:





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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
*wrote:

I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. *It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything. *One can have parts made in
India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. *No
reason to have any US employees at all. *All I need to do is collect
royalties and cash checks now. *This is the economy of the Obama
years.
No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp,
pensions, etc, *I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing
govt paperwork. *Thank You Mr Obama.
Jobs? *What about Jobs? *Those are your problem since you voted for
him. *I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free.
See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were
morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. *Creating
jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am
not helping any Americans find employment. *Jobs are for the govt to
create, not me.
Time to go sailing again.

You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em?

He must be talking about the army of handymen he keeps employed fixin'&
replacin' stuff as it fall of his boats.

I'll bet there is a lot of truth in that. I remember from my dad's
marina the differences between two of the mechanics he employed
seasonally. One was meticulous in everything. His shop area, tools, car,
boat, lawn, everything, was as perfect as could be. Another was just the
opposite. Somehow they were both good mechanics, and they got along
well, but they were like ying and yang. The neat guy's real job was as a
senior VP for a major truck building company, and the other guy was a
lead tech at Sikorsky. Weird.

I imagine Froggy's shop is the same sort of disaster as his boat, his
yard, his cars...a real mess.

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Harry, after all of the lies you've told here do you think anyone
besides Don believes a thing you say? Oh, and did you mean "yin" Mr.
bigtime writer?

On 4/5/10 12:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started
and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than
yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right
number.

Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done
that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before
dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction.


David? You mean Froggy? Froggy is nuts. He is about as disconnected from
reality as, say, those who believe Sarah Palin was a good mother.

Sheesh.

And Richard's experience about running a business with many employees is
out of date.

The trend is positive, and that is going to hurt your party. After all,
if it is good for America, it is bad for Republicans, eh?


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On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I
operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not
the small ones.

The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of
the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities
are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy
get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the
only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you
might as well toss in the towel.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:14:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a
long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

So tell us Ms. D'Plume, exactly how many companies you have started
and managed that actually had employees on a payroll other than
yourself? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect zero is the right
number.

Richard and David on the other hand have actually been there and done
that. I'd listen a litttle more closely if I were you before
dismissing them with some sort of knee jerk ideological reaction.


Yes, you'd be wrong. I currently have employees. They get health ins. also.
Bummer... sorry to disappoint.

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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in
India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No
reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect
royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama
years.
No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp,
pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing
govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama.
Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for
him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free.
See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were
morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating
jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am
not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to
create, not me.
Time to go sailing again.

You never had employees, how could you eliminate 'em?


It's a mental thing.. I think.

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On 04/04/2010 10:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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wrote in message
m...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods in order to avoid layoffs.
I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when
I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs,
not the small ones.

Eisboch

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery,
it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't.

Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without
the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff,
the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over
again.

I see the USD dropped again today.

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On 04/04/2010 7:58 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees.

george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for
10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich


This is the economy of the Obama
years.

unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding

No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp,
pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing
govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama.

more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been
president for 9 years

Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for
him.

the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs

we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M
over the last year


I will say you are an optimist, but the sad fact is this month numbers
were neutral. So what if you create 165,000 low wage part time jobs to
replace the 165,000 lost better jobs?

Doubtful the governemtn would not want to quote a real number like net
national wages for the month.

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On Apr 5, 1:47*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:



*wrote in message
om...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. *It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.

You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.

It's not 100 percent Obama. *His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. *Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid..

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. *You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. *But it only works to a point. *Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I
operated a company on my own. * Large businesses typically had layoffs, not
the small ones.

The old way. *It as good while it lasted. *But that existed because of
the lower complexities of starting a business back then. *Even cities
are getting all horned up on license/taxes. *Saw one small business guy
get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. *Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the
only way out. *Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you
might as well toss in the towel.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the
simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in
relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge
amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can
actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt
simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork
when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with
it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will
simply collect royalties and license fees.
I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a
place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and
penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all
incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest
interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was
punished for it.

On 4/5/10 1:55 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:47 pm, wrote:
On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:



wrote in message
m...
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.

You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.

It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when I
operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs, not
the small ones.

The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of
the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities
are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy
get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the
only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you
might as well toss in the towel.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the
simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in
relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge
amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can
actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt
simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork
when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with
it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will
simply collect royalties and license fees.
I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a
place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and
penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all
incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest
interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was
punished for it.


So, you are unable to bring in new contracts, and this is how you are
rationalizing it, eh?

snerk

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