"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2010 10:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods in order to avoid layoffs.
I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same
when
I operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had
layoffs,
not the small ones.

Eisboch

Just 98.7 percent? Come on. This trend as you said has been going on a
long
time. It's nothing new. Times are tough. The recession is over, but job
growth lags. That's typical of all recessions. But, the trend is
positive,
and most economists are now not predicting a double dip recession.

While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery, it
never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't.

Thanks GWB! Rock on.


Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without
the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff, the
recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over again.

There's very little inflation. That's just your ignorant rant. The Fed's
primary job (has been for a long time) is to keep that under control.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.



It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same when
I
operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs,
not
the small ones.

The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of the
lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities are
getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy get a
$600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the only
way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you might as
well toss in the towel.

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Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


Yes, you're an idiot.

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 5, 1:47 pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/04/2010 7:30 PM, Eisboch wrote:



wrote in message
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On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.

You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.

It's not 100 percent Obama. His policies are simply starting to dot the
"i"s and cross the "t"s in a change that has been taking place and
accelerating for the past 15-20 years.

Yes, but unproductive changes. Not much positive for the little
businesses, just payroll complexity costs lowering wages that can be paid.

Small business used to find anything for employees to do during slow
periods
in order to avoid layoffs.

Yes, especially the good ones. You will willingly and knownly take some
loses to retain them. But it only works to a point. Slap another
$2000+++ a year in what ammounts to employment taxes, employees already
ticked because their costs are going up, no wiggle room in the budget,
easier just to let go.

I can remember painting walls, washing trucks, etc. and did the same
when I
operated a company on my own. Large businesses typically had layoffs,
not
the small ones.

The old way. It as good while it lasted. But that existed because of
the lower complexities of starting a business back then. Even cities
are getting all horned up on license/taxes. Saw one small business guy
get a $600 fine as one of his didn't have a city license even though his
business did. Stupid as all they were doing was cutting hair.

Maybe someday someone in governemnt will come up with the brilliant idea
that all this non-value added BS is killing innovation, killing small
business and just screwing people out of wealth.

Government hasn't realized a wealthy middle class is more taxes, the
only way out. Can't fix the middle class and small businesses, you
might as well toss in the towel.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

It is not yet the level of taxation to which I object, it is the
simple fact that I spend so much time dealing with govt crap in
relation to employees. The paperwork is bizarro and costs me huge
amounts of time. Independent contractors cost far less time. I can
actually make more net money and have fewer dealings with the govt
simply by working this way. Why get stressed out over govt paperwork
when I can simply hand the independents a 1099 form and be done with
it. You guys who voted for this can make jobs (Fat chance) and I will
simply collect royalties and license fees.
I used to feel good about providing high paying high tech jobs in a
place where such do not normally exist but by making the paperwork and
penalties for messing up the paperwork so high you have taken all
incentive out of job creation. I no longer feel the slightest
interest in creating jobs for others, been there, done that and was
punished for it.


Reply: Sounds like your business is having problems. Too bad. sorry for your
trouble.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2010 7:11 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.


I am almost certain if he had profitable work for them to do he would have
kept them.

True good capitalists are not masocists, just rational types seeing
opportunities. If they are not there, why waste the money? After all, if
wasting the money is the game, government should buy him out. Or the
employees could buy him out.

Didn't see UAW/CAW/GMers take out a $50 or $60,000 to save their company.
They could have.

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Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


You're almost certain, I'm betting, that Obama was born in Kenya or was it
Australia?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2010 7:58 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees.

george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for
10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich


This is the economy of the Obama
years.

unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding

No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp,
pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing
govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama.

more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been
president for 9 years

Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for
him.

the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs

we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M
over the last year


I will say you are an optimist, but the sad fact is this month numbers
were neutral. So what if you create 165,000 low wage part time jobs to
replace the 165,000 lost better jobs?

Doubtful the governemtn would not want to quote a real number like net
national wages for the month.

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Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


Neutral? Oh, I thought you said you were neutered. My mistake. Compare job
growth/loss to GWB's stunning work.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2010 7:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything. One can have parts made in
India and then contract to have them assembled somehwere else. No
reason to have any US employees at all. All I need to do is collect
royalties and cash checks now. This is the economy of the Obama
years.

I hope you let them know why? I say this as they are voters and perhaps
some will smarten up.

No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp,
pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing
govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama.

Yep, just the aggrivation of that paperwork. No simplicity any more, just
complex non-value added liberal BS and statism.

Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for
him. I am going sailing, thanks ofr setting me free.

I am about 18 months away from doing just that too. Jobs, that is Obama's
problem now, he said so. Why fight it?

See, I used to think that those of us who could produce jobs were
morally obligated to do so but now I have seen the light. Creating
jobs has nothing to do with me and I can sleep well knowing that I am
not helping any Americans find employment. Jobs are for the govt to
create, not me.

That is the old way. Today it can get you sued, branded, belittled and
abused. You almost have to be government just to do the paperwork. If
you or they need a job, apply to marxist central, #1 Obama Way, Bankrupt
USA.

Time to go sailing again.

Yep. Better to enjoy life, you deserve it. Let the socialists learn the
hard way, to repect each others hard work and efforts or get off their
arses and make their own jobs.

Sad to say, but for many a losers out there, the hard knocks are needed to
reach their brains. Not our responsibility. Obama said so.

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Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


Yes, you're not too bright.

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Nom=de=Plume

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:


I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees.

george bush took care of that in 2007 when he laid the groundwork for
10% unemployment as he bankrolled the rich



This is the economy of the Obama
years.

unemployment is down 10% under obama. your delusions notwithstanding


No worries about health plans, no worries about workers comp,
pensions, etc, I am free to use my mind to invent instead of doing
govt paperwork. Thank You Mr Obama.

more hatred of the black president? seems you guys think he's been
president for 9 years


Jobs? What about Jobs? Those are your problem since you voted for
him.

the 165,000 created last month. those are the jobs

we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M
over the last year


Where do you get your news? There isn't a single fact here. Start with
job "creation". That's my favorite!

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:51:32 -0600, Canuck57
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While I agree it is typical for employment to lag a GDP based recovery,
it never has had this long and the spread. Certainly not in 1982 it didn't.

really? got proof? and this bush-caused depression is much deeper than
others


Much of it is inflation. Just hasn't fully hit retail yet. And without
the jobs, and I mean real jobs not just minimum wage part time stuff,
the recovery will stall and inflation will take like the 70's all over
again.

really? inflation was 2% last year



I see the USD dropped again today.

it's called 'fluctuation'

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:55:10 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/04/2010 7:58 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


we can do without the few you elminated because obama's created 1.5M
over the last year


I will say you are an optimist, but the sad fact is this month numbers
were neutral. So what if you create 165,000 low wage part time jobs to
replace the 165,000 lost better jobs?

i'm not the optimist; economists are, including those at the AEI.
hardly a liberal think tank

and a job is better than welfare

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:38:24 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/04/2010 7:11 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/4/10 9:05 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I have done just what this administration has encouraged me to do, I
have eliminated employees. It simply is no longer worth having them
when the amount of paperwork and worry over all the govt forms is so
great so you just outsource everything.


You've eliminated employees because you don't have any work for them to
do. Period.


I am almost certain if he had profitable work for them to do he would
have kept them.

True good capitalists are not masocists, just rational types seeing
opportunities.

which is bull**** that not even greenspan believes. capitalists are
greedy. they need to be regulated. i have nothing against greed but i
have a problem with capitalists telling me their greed is in my best
interests, when they come to me to pay for their **** ups