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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:20:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:17:31 -0400, bpuharic wrote:
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The 3% over $250,000 did just get their taxes raised, a lot.

great. they deserve it.

Yet you still say they are not paying their share.



I think they need to be taxed fairly. Don't know the exact number, as it
depends on the individual situation.

The top 3% pays most of the (income) taxes.

Assuming that's true, it seems pretty fair. They make the most, they should
pay the most.

That levels out a lot in the states with sales, excise and property
taxes.
When (not if) they get the VAT the "working class" will get hit a lot
harder than the rich as a proportion of their income vs the taxes they
pay.
The VAT will trickle down to everything, including things we think
should be tax free.

Not sure what a VAT has to do with anything. What things do you think should
be free? What has _that_ got to do with a VAT?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:20:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:17:31 -0400, wrote:
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The 3% over $250,000 did just get their taxes raised, a lot.

great. they deserve it.

Yet you still say they are not paying their share.



I think they need to be taxed fairly. Don't know the exact number, as it
depends on the individual situation.

The top 3% pays most of the (income) taxes.
That levels out a lot in the states with sales, excise and property
taxes.
When (not if) they get the VAT the "working class" will get hit a lot
harder than the rich as a proportion of their income vs the taxes they
pay.
The VAT will trickle down to everything, including things we think
should be tax free.

Top 3% does not pay most of the taxes. Middle class does.

But you are correct on the VAT. VAT screws everyone. That is one reason
why government likes sales taxes so much. The other is that it feeds
statism, sales taxes is a lot of non-value added government.

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Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


Dummy... please don't interrupt the adults.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:47:57 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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Sad when people think that less than $100k is near poverty. Maybe they
should associate with the real middle class. Those ringing up the
groceries
in the grocery store. Clerks in a local store. The clerk in the local
legal drug store. The machinist at the local automotive machine shop, the
local mechanic.

spare me. the attiude of the wealthy towards the middle class was
just demonstrated by the mine owner who killed 25 miners.

the middle class is expendable.


I hought Harry's unions were to protect the workers.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:06:22 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:17:35 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


the dems spend on the middle class

the GOP spends on the rich.

i'll go with the dems

The dems are supposed to be spending on the working class. No wonder
they lost all the flyover states.

ever hear of universal healthcare? the dems got it for us.

the GOP? they bitched because the rich got nothing except the bill


Actually everyone will get the bill.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:33:43 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:47:57 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Sad when people think that less than $100k is near poverty. Maybe they
should associate with the real middle class. Those ringing up the
groceries
in the grocery store. Clerks in a local store. The clerk in the local
legal drug store. The machinist at the local automotive machine shop, the
local mechanic.

spare me. the attiude of the wealthy towards the middle class was
just demonstrated by the mine owner who killed 25 miners.

the middle class is expendable.


I hought Harry's unions were to protect the workers.

there are no unions in the US.

the middle class has voted for politicians who destroy them,
preferring to be protected by wall street.

On 4/10/10 4:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:33:43 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:47:57 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Sad when people think that less than $100k is near poverty. Maybe they
should associate with the real middle class. Those ringing up the
groceries
in the grocery store. Clerks in a local store. The clerk in the local
legal drug store. The machinist at the local automotive machine shop, the
local mechanic.

spare me. the attiude of the wealthy towards the middle class was
just demonstrated by the mine owner who killed 25 miners.

the middle class is expendable.


I hought Harry's unions were to protect the workers.

there are no unions in the US.

the middle class has voted for politicians who destroy them,
preferring to be protected by wall street.



The mine in which 29 died this week was not a union mine. The CEO has a
long rep as a union buster.



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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:51:31 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:54:44 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The dems are supposed to be spending on the working class. No wonder
they lost all the flyover states.

ever hear of universal healthcare? the dems got it for us.

Universal, as long as you can afford it, What changed?

hmm...seems you dont know too much about it

I bet you a hundred bucks (that a poor working class guy like me can
barely afford to lose) that this year's open season will have record
insurance price increases.

already been done. anthem, in CA, announced a 40% increase

before obama's healthcare was passed

any more cliches?

On 4/10/10 5:51 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:54:44 -0400, wrote:

The dems are supposed to be spending on the working class. No wonder
they lost all the flyover states.

ever hear of universal healthcare? the dems got it for us.

Universal, as long as you can afford it, What changed?
I bet you a hundred bucks (that a poor working class guy like me can
barely afford to lose) that this year's open season will have record
insurance price increases.


And that will have nothing to do with anything beyond greed. What is
needed in the next step...price controls...and then the beginnings of a
single payer system that eventually pushed the insurers out of the biz.
They do nothing but suck the lifeblood out of the economy.

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:15:57 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 4/10/10 5:51 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:54:44 -0400, wrote:

The dems are supposed to be spending on the working class. No wonder
they lost all the flyover states.

ever hear of universal healthcare? the dems got it for us.

Universal, as long as you can afford it, What changed?
I bet you a hundred bucks (that a poor working class guy like me can
barely afford to lose) that this year's open season will have record
insurance price increases.


And that will have nothing to do with anything beyond greed. What is
needed in the next step...price controls...and then the beginnings of a
single payer system that eventually pushed the insurers out of the biz.
They do nothing but suck the lifeblood out of the economy.

we should have gone with a single provider/payer system like they do
in more successful countries. but the right would never permit it.

On 4/10/10 6:44 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:15:57 -0400,
wrote:

On 4/10/10 5:51 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:54:44 -0400, wrote:

The dems are supposed to be spending on the working class. No wonder
they lost all the flyover states.

ever hear of universal healthcare? the dems got it for us.

Universal, as long as you can afford it, What changed?
I bet you a hundred bucks (that a poor working class guy like me can
barely afford to lose) that this year's open season will have record
insurance price increases.


And that will have nothing to do with anything beyond greed. What is
needed in the next step...price controls...and then the beginnings of a
single payer system that eventually pushed the insurers out of the biz.
They do nothing but suck the lifeblood out of the economy.

we should have gone with a single provider/payer system like they do
in more successful countries. but the right would never permit it.



The insurance companies add absolutely nothing to the equation of
ensuring everyone has access to good medical care. In fact, they simply
make it more difficult.



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