On 25/04/2010 11:14 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/25/10 1:09 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2010 8:44 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/25/10 10:40 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2010 4:11 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/24/10 5:59 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 10:49 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 12:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 5:01 AM, hk wrote:

How many Obamanites does it take to screw in a light bulb...
none...
they'll sit on their fat lazy asses and wait for someone else to
do it
for them...



Are you trying to grab Tosk's belt signifying he is the Dumbest
Poster
in Rec.Boats?

Sure seems that way, with one moronic statement, proclamation, or
mis-stated "unfactoid" after another.

Did your mother have any children who succeeded in life?

4 out of 5 are well off. One chose liberalism and debt, suffice it to
say she will be working until 65 or beyond. The rest of us talk of
early
retirement but for being bored. Really ****es her off when we get
together and start that discussion. But she did it to herself, the
only
one to go bankrupt. I actually feel sorry for her at times, the
price is
a heavy one emotionally to be the only liberal debt loving loser.


Interesting that when I asked about success in life, you equated that
with money. Let's try again. Anyone in your family successful in life?

Try living without it, give up the car, no home, no vacation, no extras
for the kids, no visiting grandkids, arguements over money...

While I agree that money is not the be all end all, it sure helps to
have enough you don't get the aggrivation of worring about it. While it
is true money will not make you happy, not having enough will make you
miserable.



Yeah, well that is quite a bit different from measuring success in life
by how much money you've made, eh?

Yep, and life is too short to waste on envy of others and money
arguments.



You spend most of your time here expressing your envy of others and in
"money arguments."

My guess is that you don't have two nickels to rub together, that you
are scared ****less about what happens when your job ends, and that you
are expressing nothing more here than bravado.

You have no boat, right? Do you have a car? You claim to be wealthy...so
what's your house look like? How many dress suits do you own that you've
bought in the last couple of years? How much do you pay for your suits?

Think what you want.

BTW, I don't even own a suit, business casual mostly. Often just wear
blue jeans and a buttoned shirt. Only politicians, lawyers, salesmen
and butt kissers wear suits. House is in the right end of town, 2848 sq
foot for 2.

No boat at the moment. Have F150, hitch up a rental when I do go fishing.

And you? Swamp land in Lousiana with a home made raft?
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On 25/04/2010 11:55 AM, Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
On 4/25/10 1:09 PM, Canuck57 wrote:


Yep, and life is too short to waste on envy of others and money
arguments.



You spend most of your time here expressing your envy of others and in
"money arguments."

My guess is that you don't have two nickels to rub together, that you
are scared ****less about what happens when your job ends, and that
you are expressing nothing more here than bravado.

You have no boat, right? Do you have a car? You claim to be
wealthy...so what's your house look like? How many dress suits do you
own that you've bought in the last couple of years? How much do you
pay for your suits?


Typical Krause bull****. Get an honest guy like Canuck talking, then
slam him when he contradicts himself.
This BS never ends. Because Krause sees in black and white, and most
others see the entire spectrum of light.
So Canuck uses "money" as an obvious symbol for explaining all of all
the other cultural problems, and Krause slams him for talking about
money all the time.
Canuck, you should stay away from this guy.
He's bad news, and will distort whatever you say.
Same with bpharuc, and defumes. Name callers.

Jim - Just friendly advice.

Ya, I should. But really do get their knickers in a twist.

Yep, hk, de-fumes and bpuharic are hopless write offs.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On 4/25/10 5:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2010 11:14 AM, hk wrote:



You spend most of your time here expressing your envy of others and in
"money arguments."

My guess is that you don't have two nickels to rub together, that you
are scared ****less about what happens when your job ends, and that you
are expressing nothing more here than bravado.

You have no boat, right? Do you have a car? You claim to be wealthy...so
what's your house look like? How many dress suits do you own that you've
bought in the last couple of years? How much do you pay for your suits?

Think what you want.

BTW, I don't even own a suit, business casual mostly. Often just wear
blue jeans and a buttoned shirt. Only politicians, lawyers, salesmen and
butt kissers wear suits. House is in the right end of town, 2848 sq foot
for 2.

No boat at the moment. Have F150, hitch up a rental when I do go fishing.

And you? Swamp land in Lousiana with a home made raft?


No, Louisiana is too humid for me, though I do like to visit there. My
wife and I live in a modest house in a suburb about 40 miles SE of
Washington, D.C. We have a couple of boats, a couple of cars, an SUV,
and a motorcycle. I have quite a few nice suits in good condition.




--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:20:16 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:15:37 -0700, "Bill McKee"




Seems as if your are very unhappy, and it is all about the lack of money
in
your case.

typical right wing pervert. i worked hard all my life for what i got.
so did 100,000,000 other americans.

his view? the rich deserved to steal our money. all we'd do is spend
it on our families. they'd use it to party.

and they're rich. they deserve it.

he thinks hard work is a perversion. typical right whiner




Blah, blah, blah. You are unhappy because you got no money. Every time you
put fingers to keyboard, you reinforce that statement.

guess you think i, and 100,000,000 other hard working americans should
be grateful to wall street for what they've done for america

that's the nice thing about the right. they have a god...rich folks.
no matter HOW much the middle class suffers...and 100,000,000 HAVE
suffered....

the rich is always right.

nice to have a security blanket like that

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:16:24 -0400, hk
wrote:



Among other things, I'm wondering who Hitler's jewish wife was...it
couldn't have been Eva Braun, because she was Catholic. Must have been
something Canuck read on one of his right-wing stormtroop sites.

he probably thinks it was michelle obama. after all, he thinks obama's
been president for 9 years.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:48:05 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 11:34 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:17:03 -0600,
wrote:


when i worked for texas instruments, some of our equipment used a
touch screen GUI. the only US manufacturer of GUI's was supported by
the DoD even though it lost money, because it was a 'strategic
technology.'

so right off the bat you're filled with bull****.

Into the bottle so early? Stay on subject. I wasn't talking about TI
or touch screens. I was talking about Fanny, Freddie, GM, City, BAC
etc. You know, corporate welfare. I don't think those that invented
taxation had bailing out GM in mind.

let me type this slowly so you u nderstand

your bitch was about govt support of worthless and failing companies

i just showed you how this has been going on for years. with other
companies.

you? the point went right over your tin foil hat covered head

not too bright, are you, right winger?


2) Obama is debt spending like no other in history.

except for george bush, ronald reagan, FDR, etc.

again he's spouting bull****.

Nope. Look it up. Never before has any president debt-spent so fast as
Obama.

and never in 80 years, have we had the economic mess left to us by the
rich white president

you're not too bright so you don't know what's happening in the
economy, do you?


No controls on
government spending. None. Just record deficits and record debt. Just
like a debt worshiper out of control with other peoples money.

our debt, after obama's spending, will be lower than the debt/GDP
ratio of the US after ww2.

more bull****.

No bull****. US governemnt is broke. The only way they can borrow
money these days is loan it to themselves. Federal Reserve creates it,
Obama spends it.

notice you didn't say anything about the FACT that our debt burden
will be LESS than it was after ww2, did you?

we survived that, didn't we?

oh. we didn't have a black president. i'm sure you'll make that
reference


4) Obama hasn't kept any of his major promises such as Iraq.

really? got any proof of that? right now US troop levels in iraq are
at 50K. the lowest they've been in years.

more right wing bull****

He said he would be out in 6 months. 16 months later we are still
there. How much proof does your pea brain need?

what he actually said was that his security policy would be determined
by the situation on the ground

THAT was what he said. i know you're a right wing lunatic, but DO try
to be less obvious, OK?


5) Obama behaves as if above the law,

ROFLMAO!!!

did he REALLY write this??? HAHAHAHAH!!!

george bush:

-arrested american citizens on american soil without charge
-wiretapped without court approval
-kept americans in prision with no access to counsel
-tortured americans in violation of law

What president hasn't?

ROFLMAO!!! is there any more proof he's a RACIST??

he says obama is evil incarnate...and proof of this??

he'd done exactly what every other president has done

but he's the worst...so if he's the worst...and he's as bad as all the
others...the only difference is:

he's black.


see GM bond holders sho didn't get
their day in debtors court. Totally bypassed established bankruptcy laws.

gee. bankruptcy laws.

bush TORTURED US CITIZENS ON AMERICAN SOIL

obama 'bypassed bankruptcy laws'

but obama, you see, is a darkie. and bush was rich. and white.

Ah, the racist excuse. Do you mean because Obama is black the law does
not apply to him?

notice how he ignores the fact bush thought the laws about TORTURING
AMERICAN CITiZENS didn't apply to him?

yet obama is more evil because of....bankruptcy laws.

gee. think his hatred might be due to race hatred of obama?

On 4/25/10 5:54 PM, John H wrote:

Again, you should learn to read...and appreciate the proper use of
words.


I'm thinking of getting a pool together on your next (and hopefully,
final) hospitalization. Got any inside info, as it were?




--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On 25/04/2010 12:02 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:24:23 -0600,
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 9:40 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:11:00 -0600,
wrote:

Why should I? I worry about my family first

yep. typical right whiner. no patriotism. no honor. just pure
unadulterated greed.

Just like any other monkey this planet. You should read Maslow

ah. i see your problem. you're an authoritarian. you believe in sacred
texts and can't think on your own. that's why you're a right whiner.

Why make the same mistakes people made 100 years ago? I am not
authoritarian but respect authority to a point.

yes. i know about maslow. i minored in psychology, and went to nursing
school

Somehow I think you are bull****ing. If you really had a degree in
basic psychology you would know people are motivated by their needs and
their greeds. And greed isn't just about money, it could be
recognition, self worth, entitlement, manipulation...

the funny thing about maslow...from the viewpoint of a physical
scientist...there's precious little DATA to back him up. his is a
heuristic view of the world. good in its own doman, but pretty much
useless for actually looking at how the world works

None of these theries have proof and are "perfect". Just Maslow made a
lot of sense to me and use it to this day as it seems to be one that works.

you have no capability for independent thought, so NATURALLY think in
terms of authority, stereotypes and cliches.

I repeat, why make the same mistakes people made 100 years ago? I don't
have problems in accepting other peoples rational thoughts, and acepting
many of them. I freely admit I am a composition of many thoughts not
all of which are my own. It is how we learn.

-when it's pointed out unemployment has dropped under obama? you want
to change HOW it's measured

I question those with shakey numbers, fast taking abd bull****.

-when it's pointed out the US is the LEAST redistributionist economy
on earth? you say you don't care, that your theology requires it's the
MOST balanced.

So? Borrowing from a wise statement of the day, is this about same
rewards for all or equal access to opportunity?

-when it's pointed out the economy is growing you say it cant be
growing or you'd be wrong.

Because I don't think one dimensionally. GDP can grow but does not mean
people are employed or making more money or happier.

right wing cliches and bull****.

You like to hide behind that leftist crap.

. We all
be needy and greedy, it defines us all. Just what is your need and
focus of your greed. Motivates people well when you understand that.

gee. greed. no patriotism. no honor. no pride in a hard day's work

Again, you are thinking one dimensionally. If one has a need to be
honorable, pride etc., as most do, then they will become that to satisfy
the need. It fits.

you despise the middle class

Nope.

you hate working people.

Nope. They are the back bone of society. But governance is ****ing on
them with debt and bailouts robbing their wealth.

you've said it's all about you and your family.

#1 is my family in my life. As it should be.

me? i actually DO volunteer to help my country. i take PRIDE in being
middle class. i take PRIDE in america, and its people.

My wife does this too, no need for her to work. Even when we were in
the US as she wasn't allowed to work, she volunteered. Some idiot even
complained to INS once. Even INS brushed them off.

One thing I always admired about Americans is their pride in their
country. Much to be proud off, never before have so many lived so well
with the foundation of less but functional government and equal access
to opportunity. Mutual repect and foundation of law.

Now it is decaying.

you? you despise them all unless they're rich

Not as a rule. Just the ones that envy and want to use governemnt to
steal from successful people. Governemnt taxation should not be used
for GM, Citi, Chrysler, BAC and a long list of other corrupted entities.
And people who support this rape of wealth, well, they have lost their
values.

2003:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul128.html

2005:
http://walkthrough.blogs.nytimes.com...version-means/

Look at the dates. Then read up on any tried and true economic book
printed. Rising debt and interest rate - recession/depression.

really? then, perhaps, you can tell me why the US had a higher
debt/GDP ratio after ww2 and built a world class economy.

How much debt is functional and how much debt you can afford is not
related at all to GDP. It is just a way to turd polish a bad situation.

How much you can borrow is related to how much you can pay. With a
middle class in debt up to it's ass, unlike WW II, today does not have
the payment elasticity of WW II. And when WW II ended, the cash flow
corrected it. No such correction exists today but for a massive
government downsizing. And I don't mean $30M Obama style, I mean $1.7
trillion style.

Any half baked president really out to serve his country would take
every governemnt department bar none and ask how does this help ALL
Americans *EQUALLY*. Then cut the bottom 50%. Take military spending,
reduce it by 60% and get the f--- out of Iran leaving a pillar. "If you
don't live civilly in this world, this will someday become ground zero."
then leave. Let them think about it.

oh. you don't know bet you dont even know what percentage of the US
budget goes for debt service, do you?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

But know that with interest rates being so artificially low, that $193
billion each year or so could easily become a trillion with fair market
rates. As they are only paying a little under 1.4%. It really should
be 5%. They have also created a lot of Federal Reserve inflationary
funny money which means the interest rates will go up or the value of
the USD will go down and the truth will be inbetween.

Good news is individual debt is going down as smart people are getting
rid of debt anticipating higher interest rates.

Just that the stumps like you are so biased and closed minded you never
put credence to others, thought history would not repeat etc.

says the guy who thinks greed is good...

how'd that work out for wall street?

US holdings, pretty dam good for 2009 and so far in 2010. Up about 53%
in the last 4 years. And you?

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:24:56 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 12:02 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:24:23 -0600,
wrote:


Just like any other monkey this planet. You should read Maslow

ah. i see your problem. you're an authoritarian. you believe in sacred
texts and can't think on your own. that's why you're a right whiner.

Why make the same mistakes people made 100 years ago? I am not
authoritarian but respect authority to a point.

says the guy who thinks we should repeat the mistakes of 1929

ironic, isn't it?


yes. i know about maslow. i minored in psychology, and went to nursing
school

Somehow I think you are bull****ing. If you really had a degree in
basic psychology you would know people are motivated by their needs and
their greeds. And greed isn't just about money, it could be
recognition, self worth, entitlement, manipulation...

now let's see...i said i MINORED in psychology...to him that means i
got a degree in psych.

gee. and he claims he can read. and he's been to college!


the funny thing about maslow...from the viewpoint of a physical
scientist...there's precious little DATA to back him up. his is a
heuristic view of the world. good in its own doman, but pretty much
useless for actually looking at how the world works

None of these theries have proof and are "perfect". Just Maslow made a
lot of sense to me and use it to this day as it seems to be one that works.

i have no problem with accepting maslow as a guide. in nursing school
we used it to priortize treatment of patients. but treating it as
gospel to guide economic policy?

i dont THINK so...


you have no capability for independent thought, so NATURALLY think in
terms of authority, stereotypes and cliches.

I repeat, why make the same mistakes people made 100 years ago?

says the guy who wants to repeat the mistakes of 1929? why? you think
mistakes of 80 years ago are better than those made 100 years ago?

-when it's pointed out unemployment has dropped under obama? you want
to change HOW it's measured

I question those with shakey numbers, fast taking abd bull****.

gee. the measurement method has been the same for decades. yet you
question it only for the darkie president.

strange...almost as if you thought race should be a factor...


-when it's pointed out the US is the LEAST redistributionist economy
on earth? you say you don't care, that your theology requires it's the
MOST balanced.

So? Borrowing from a wise statement of the day, is this about same
rewards for all or equal access to opportunity?

you have a remarkable gullibility. you think that, if someone is rich,
they know what they're doing and deserve to be rich

any proof of that? nope.


-when it's pointed out the economy is growing you say it cant be
growing or you'd be wrong.

Because I don't think one dimensionally. GDP can grow but does not mean
people are employed or making more money or happier.

gee. i use a multidimensional analysis...GDP growth...unemployment
drop, etc

you? you want to change the goalposts every single time a measurement
disagrees with your right wing theology.


. We all
be needy and greedy, it defines us all. Just what is your need and
focus of your greed. Motivates people well when you understand that.

gee. greed. no patriotism. no honor. no pride in a hard day's work

Again, you are thinking one dimensionally. If one has a need to be
honorable, pride etc., as most do, then they will become that to satisfy
the need. It fits.

somehow i don't think a medal of honor winner's 'greed' is the same as
a wall street banker's greed. i'm sure, to a right winger, they're the
same, since a rich wall street banker is a hero...

but some of us see it differently


you despise the middle class

Nope.

you hate working people.

Nope. They are the back bone of society. But governance is ****ing on
them with debt and bailouts robbing their wealth.

says the guy who routinely calls 100,000,000 middle class americans
dupes for being raped by wall street.



One thing I always admired about Americans is their pride in their
country. Much to be proud off, never before have so many lived so well
with the foundation of less but functional government and equal access
to opportunity. Mutual repect and foundation of law.

except, in your view, for the middle class who are just a bunch of
sheep since they're not rich.


Now it is decaying.

you? you despise them all unless they're rich

Not as a rule. Just the ones that envy and want to use governemnt to
steal from successful people.

ah. successful people. like wall street bankers who have done SO much
for the middle class. your hero worship...your worship of wall street
leaves alot of room between you and working folks.

Governemnt taxation should not be used
for GM, Citi, Chrysler, BAC and a long list of other corrupted entities.
And people who support this rape of wealth, well, they have lost their
values.

and, it seems, you ignore the fact your view was tried. somehow
evidence has no effect on your thinking

typical right winger.



really? then, perhaps, you can tell me why the US had a higher
debt/GDP ratio after ww2 and built a world class economy.

How much debt is functional and how much debt you can afford is not
related at all to GDP. It is just a way to turd polish a bad situation.

more doubletalk. the fact is that, for 30 years, we've had right wing
free market fundamentalism drive up the secdtion of GDP based on the
financial sector to 40%. and the right said NOTHING about it...

except for people like you who worship the 'successful' rich


How much you can borrow is related to how much you can pay. With a
middle class in debt up to it's ass, unlike WW II, today does not have
the payment elasticity of WW II.

gee...let's see...in ww2, the rich at least gave the middle class a
decent living

TODAY the rich doesnt even give the middle class a pay raise. in 10
years, productivity has increased 28%. and the amount given to the
middle class?

zero. nothing. not a dime. yet wall street bitches that the middle
class isn't spending

and folks like you bitch at the middle class because you think we
should starve our children to finance wall street rich bankers


oh. you don't know bet you dont even know what percentage of the US
budget goes for debt service, do you?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

But know that with interest rates being so artificially low, that $193
billion each year or so could easily become a trillion with fair market
rates. As they are only paying a little under 1.4%. It really should
be 5%. They have also created a lot of Federal Reserve inflationary
funny money which means the interest rates will go up or the value of
the USD will go down and the truth will be inbetween.

the basis of the US economy is hte middle class...middle class
spending...

30 years ago i remember wall street used to INCREASE when unemployment
went UP because they thought it reduced corporate debt. today it goes
DOWN because even wall street realizes we need at least SOMETHING of a
middle class

how long is it going to take the right wing to realize we need low
unemployment and a decent raise every year? so far you guys believe
that the middle class should be a permanent rape victim


Good news is individual debt is going down as smart people are getting
rid of debt anticipating higher interest rates.

Just that the stumps like you are so biased and closed minded you never
put credence to others, thought history would not repeat etc.

says the guy who thinks greed is good...

how'd that work out for wall street?

US holdings, pretty dam good for 2009 and so far in 2010. Up about 53%
in the last 4 years. And you?

and the other 100,000,000 americans?

oh. i forgot. you'd be happy if their children were in the streets

In article ,
says...

On 4/25/10 5:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2010 11:14 AM, hk wrote:



You spend most of your time here expressing your envy of others and in
"money arguments."

My guess is that you don't have two nickels to rub together, that you
are scared ****less about what happens when your job ends, and that you
are expressing nothing more here than bravado.

You have no boat, right? Do you have a car? You claim to be wealthy...so
what's your house look like? How many dress suits do you own that you've
bought in the last couple of years? How much do you pay for your suits?

Think what you want.

BTW, I don't even own a suit, business casual mostly. Often just wear
blue jeans and a buttoned shirt. Only politicians, lawyers, salesmen and
butt kissers wear suits. House is in the right end of town, 2848 sq foot
for 2.

No boat at the moment. Have F150, hitch up a rental when I do go fishing.

And you? Swamp land in Lousiana with a home made raft?


No, Louisiana is too humid for me, though I do like to visit there. My
wife and I live in a modest house in a suburb about 40 miles SE of
Washington, D.C. We have a couple of boats, a couple of cars, an SUV,
and a motorcycle. I have quite a few nice suits in good condition.

That's right you live in the house, you don't own that house Harry. Some
woman named Karen owns the house. Tax records and Google Maps are not
your firend.