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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of
the bird deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So
lots of ground squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like
for dinner.



So, therefore, spilling 100s of 1000s of barrels of oil and polluting
beaches is ok.

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Nom=de=Plume



Comprehend the question asked.

The one that's rattling around in your empty head? The one that actually
never made it to your keyboard?

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Nom=de=Plume

On Apr 27, 6:18*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message

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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the
bird deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of
ground squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So, therefore, spilling 100s of 1000s of barrels of oil and polluting
beaches is ok.

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Nom=de=Plume

If you say so, D'Plume.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:21:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Just google Alatmont wind farm lawsuit

Why? That is old and worst case. It is in no way typical. Why did you
ask for facts when you're clearly satisfied to base your opinion on
anecdotes? How did you get on the wrong side of an issue where the
facts are undeniable?

Wayne

On Apr 27, 9:36*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds that, for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] *The number of birds killed by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die as a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming
domestic cats,[8] *and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen, restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a big ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 9:36 pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds that,
for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] The number of birds killed by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die as
a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and
roaming
domestic cats,[8] and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen,
restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a big
ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

Tanking? When's the last time you got a quote?

"Eddie" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per day,
but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot of burning.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Apr 28, 1:22*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

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On Apr 27, 9:36 pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds that,
for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] *The number of birds killed by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die as
a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and
roaming
domestic cats,[8] *and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen,
restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a big
ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

Tanking? *When's the last time you got a quote?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess you didn't see the 5 day graph, huh?

http://www.marke****ch.com/investing/stock/RIG

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 28, 1:22 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

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On Apr 27, 9:36 pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds
that,
for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] The number of birds killed
by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die
as
a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric
power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and
roaming
domestic cats,[8] and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive
oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen,
restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a
big
ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

Tanking? When's the last time you got a quote?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess you didn't see the 5 day graph, huh?

http://www.marke****ch.com/investing/stock/RIG

You call 2~3% "tanking"? Not much of an investor, eh? Drillers and
equipment is a good place to be today.

On 4/29/2010 1:28 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap
it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per
day, but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot of
burning.

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Nom=de=Plume


Most of that 2000 sq miles is a sheen, which will not burn. 1 quart of
oil will cover 2 acres. And they had to add a lot of gasoline to get the
fire started. Crude is hard to burn.



What's your point? (Besides the one on the top of your head...)


Shut up and read for content. You'll get the point.