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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:20:45 -0500, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 27/04/2010 3:46 PM, hk wrote: On 4/27/10 5:41 PM, John H wrote: The Republican Part who deserted his cancer-ridden wife. I know liberals who have deserted 12 children. To a large degree to be a corrupt politician and live with yourself you would need an above average score as a sociopath. That is true of ANY politican. It is supported by research that politicians, CEOs, lawyers, pimps, drug dealers, profession car and home theives share higher than average sociopathy. The largest difference is the class, opportunity and education. Four words says it all. John Edwards, Democrat Lawyer. george bush, rich white boy Jim - Boy, they'd like to sweep him under the rug. |
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On 27/04/2010 7:03 PM, bpuharic wrote:
ROFLMAO!! who spent a trillion in iraq? BUSH! Who debt-spent $2.5 trillion in 1/4 the time on jack ****? OBAMA! -- Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it. |
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On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: President Bush is a businessman.. and he killed 4400 US troops and spent a trillion dollars in a war he could not win Vice President Cheney is a businessman. and he proved that by meeting behind closed doors with exxon to write US energy policy The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. and he believed that slavery was virtually non existent in the US. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. so was phil gramm. gramm and his enron VP wife, wrote the law that prevented the govt from regulating derivatives. The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney create wealth?? * HAHAHAHAHA!!! in the past 10 years the middle class has't had a pay increase. read THIS article by a noted CONSERVATIVE, david frum: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/2...ce.china/index.... the rich created wealth by STEALING from the MIDDLE class then having the balls to make the middle class pay for their mistakes , or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich. and gingrich? what was his view on slavery and racism? The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow. enemies? like bush locking up US citizens on US soil without trial? Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation. or like the wealthy right wingers who turn meat packaging over to the meat companies, resulting in E coli infections in children, or drug pricing to the drug companies resuting in the US having the highest drug prices in the world, or turning healthcare over to insurance companies resulting in the US having the highest healthcare costs in the world... that the type of business you mean? Today, we are drowning in laws gee. the GOP controlled the govt...totally...for 6 years. did they reduce the number of laws? nope. . When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing. anybody know what this *means? how do democrats 'sue america'? We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change gee. we just got healthcare. that looks like real change. the GOP? nothing. except 4400 dead US troops. , real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy... declining moral values? anybody know what this means? OOHHHH...now i remember...put a cop in every bedroom to make sure you're having govt approved sex... in the name of a conservative, smaller govt. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages notice limit punitive damages? any sign of increased responsibility on the part of corporations? the rich? nope 29 miners die in w. virginia. their famiies sue. why? because there are few laws protecting minors mothers whose children die from e coli infections sue. why? because there are no laws protecting our food supply and why are there no laws? because the 'business men' of whom you speak so highly...protected themselves by not permitting such laws to exist. no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) Mike |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts |
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![]() "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts How many of the foreclosures were on homes with "stated income loans"? |
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On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. *Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. *Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. *We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and cheating though. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't fake income, however. If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first. |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote: On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. *We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? we were. we kept voting for politicians that preached free market fundamentalism...look at the GOP and the teabaggers today, and the fact they'll probably win the house in november. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. They knew what they were doing. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. They were the "victims". Give me a break. the average % of homeowners has been about 65% for 40 years. that has stayed constant. homeowners werent responsible because we were marginal influences. compare that to the scope of CDO's: 1 trillion in '96 62 trillion in 2006. tell me which was the bigger..by far...influence. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. irrelevant. you're talking marginal influences i'm talking meat and potatoes. that's why you need FACTS rather than right wing myth |
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On Apr 29, 12:01*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... On Apr 29, 6:18 am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:41:42 -0400, John H wrote: no wonder the rich hate lawyers. they've prevented any protection for the middle class...and they want to gut the last vestiges of any protection at all Would you please do us all a favor and get off your "the middle class got screwed kick"? I'm "middle class" but don't whine like a bitch, like 99% of you're posts do. Get over it, for Christ's sake. ROFLMAO!! glenn beck cries rivers about the poor rich. canucks and others here telll us how we MUST suck the cocks of the rich because americans are REQUIRED to protect them and make them feel good *You* relied on the Wall Street pigs to "gamble" your money (401K plan). uh, no. me and 100,000,000 others did as we were told by the rich -we worked hard -we gave up our pensions to the rich -we used the ONLY retirement vehicle open: 401k's and we got screwed. all of use. the average drop in 401k's in the last 3 years was 35% 8,000,000 jobless. foreclosures at a record... Maybe, just maybe, it's not always somebody else's fault. Take a hard look in the mirror. more right wing bull****. blame the victim. it's NEVER the rich, you see. THEY didn't invent CDO's. it's the fault of the middle class; although, as conservative david frum pointed out, the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in TEN YEARS so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? Yes. I think many people over-extended themselves without really thinking about it as much as they should. That doesn't absolve WS for lying and cheating though. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. *Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. *And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. *They knew what they were doing. I know people who were leveraged up to the Empire State's roof line. One couple bought 20 houses across the country. They're now bust. They didn't fake income, however. If you knew people that faked income or committed some other kind of fraud, did you turn them in? Probably not, so you can't be blameless either. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. *They were the "victims".. Give me a break. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. *But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. Yes, there's blame to go around. I think we get your point. Now, as to solutions... WS needs regulation. Banks need regulation, but your beloved Republicans were blocking (up until yesterday) even debate on what should be done. Instead they wanted "backroom" deals first. I haven't followed all the recent political crap of late, but can offer this: Isn't it already being regulated without the Government's formal intervention in the form of reform? One can have a firm, fixed income in the 6-figure range, a reasonable income to debt ratio, a 750 credit score and *still* can't get a loan. Those that do obtain loans have to go through a colonoscopy to get one. Mike |
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On Apr 29, 4:25*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: On Apr 29, 6:18*am, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote: so tell me...how is it the fault of the middle class? Doesn't matter though; you're brainwashed. *Carry on with your ranting and raving. *You* got screwed. *We get it. Good grief :) yeah. the problem with the right is they deny there's a problem. caused by the unregulated free market. they have their delusions. i have the facts As much as I can't stomach some of the sleezy losers on Wall Street, including the banks that endorsed creative BS financial tools like CDS's, do you honesty think we, as middle class, were not somewhat responsible for the record foreclosures, as you've claimed? we were. we kept voting for politicians that preached free market fundamentalism...look at the GOP and the teabaggers today, and the fact they'll probably win the house in november. I know people that were fully aware should not be trying to take out a loan for a $450K+ house but did so anyway. *Also know people that purposely faked their true incomes to get the loans. *And, many were on a "home-flipping" spree and bragging about it during the housing bubble. *They knew what they were doing. But, according to you, it wasn't their fault. *They were the "victims". Give me a break. the average % of homeowners has been about 65% for 40 years. that has stayed constant. *homeowners werent responsible because we were marginal influences. *compare that to the scope of CDO's: 1 trillion in '96 62 trillion in 2006. tell me which was the bigger..by far...influence. *Many* were responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. Including us regular Joe's and Jane's. *But also people like your beloved Dems in Congress, namely The Honorable Congressman Barney Frank. irrelevant. you're talking marginal influences i'm talking meat and potatoes. *that's why you need FACTS rather than right wing myth Sorry, just can't buy those statistics. You honestly think that substantial increase didn't have anything do do with the many more loans bundled up and sold off to investors? The fire that fueled the CDO's and CDS's was the increase in loans and a "belief" that house prices would continue to appreciate to astronomical levels. If you really want to start tracing the origins of this mess, go look- up the Community Reorganization Act (CRA) from the 70's. It was a legitimate program. But, later on (as you'll read), it became a *penalty* (and fine) for banks not to loan (signed by Bill Clinton). Years later, the greedy assholes on WS sunk their teeth into it and developed creative financial tools to capitalize on it. But again, they were not *solely* responsible. Many people, including us, were. Mike |
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