On 16/06/2010 6:42 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400,
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.

cheney let them save $500K! big bux to an oil company! cheney gutted
the regulations. big bux to an oil company


You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.

you righties keep bleating that obama should take his petroleum
engineering degree to the gulf to help out BP since it has no
experience in drilling.

No. But it would not hurt if he shut his big mouth and listened to some
professionals in the business. Ones without an axe to grind like the
American poluter Exxon.

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On 17/06/2010 9:01 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400,
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.
I thought about it and I think this is where Clinton and his brothers
the Bushes should step in like they did in Haiti and help out.

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk
about at parties
You want Dick on that well
You need Dick on that well".


Besides, who says BP caused it. This could well have been a Democrat inspired
ploy to get Obama's energy bills passed.

Who knows. RIP (NYSE) owned and operated the rig on BPs behalf. Going
to be a huge lawsuit there. Bet the maggot lawers are already polishing
the knives.


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On 16/06/2010 5:21 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400,
wrote:

...for cleanup and damages, pluse $100 million immediately for oil patch
workers out of work, plus no limits on future payments, plus no immunity
for court cases...

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

the taxpayers would be bailing out BP since t hey're rich and need the
help...

They bailed out American Exxon.... GM too.... a long slew of banks...

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:33:05 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

right now they are the only game in town. BEFORE this event they were
crminals and behaved with disregard for safety. NOW they're paying
through the ass so it's in their best interests to get it capped

you dont understand engineering



I do understand this is now a 1500 mile disaster with different
challenges at every pass. They can certainly use more than a few
engineers.
Even at the well head, why wouldn't ideas from other companies that
were not brought up in the BP culture be helpful.
I do know a little about engineering and I can guarantee, engineers
tend to feed off each other and develop a monolithic way of thinking.
IBM used to ship a project to another location when they got stuck,
just to get another view point on the problems.

Good God. You're spot on right about engineers!! lol

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:34:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:34:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:49:44 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:42:56 -0400, Harry
wrote:

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

Actually, no.

Since they are making all of this up as they go along, why would you
think that? BP is not the only company that drills oil wells.

what makes you think their engineers are dumber than exxon's?


Dumber? no but that doesn't mean they all have the same ideas.

ideas are generally marginal...incremental. there's no revolution in
cleaning up an oil spill


yep. cheney told 'em to do what they wanted

I bet these plans are 40 years old with numerous revisions along the
way. It will still be written to the government standard.

yep.



That is how it works now. They get to drill under a license from the
government. Theoretically the government monitors the drilling but
they are not competent to do it.
All I have to say about the government actually managing these things
is the space shuttle.
40% failure rate of the fleet with total loss of life in each failure.
(2 out of the 5 that ever flew, came apart in the air)

tell it to toyota. how long were they making cars?

Does the government own Toyota? What's your point.?
It is certainly not that 40% of the Toyotas ever made crashed.

private enterprise isn't better than govt. they both have failure