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On 7/19/10 9:41 PM, Happy wrote:

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On 7/19/10 9:09 PM, Happy wrote:

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On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...







I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on
the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which
hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in
the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor
and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon
valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in
it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are
deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra
fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a
chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the
transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in
the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and
they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and
they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install
new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts
from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good
deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to
me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done
sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply
gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything
else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of
just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this
year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2
day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project.
Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and
have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and
after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to
afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round
trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha
four stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy
and emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions,
there torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in
aluminum river john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do
like the older 2 cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of
power 4 cycle yamaha's suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and
kids but not for me...hell no!! slow assed over weight dogs.


Overweight? The 250 hp etec weighs 518 pounds. The new four stroke
Yamaha 250 Vmax weighs 505 pounds. In other words, they weigh about
the same.

I doubt e-tecs will beat a fourstroker on economy, emissions or noise.
I suspect the numbers are pretty damned close.

As for that tired old youtube video, it's been shot to **** a zillion
times already. The owners of evinrude's brand name rigged the test.



"I doubt " so you really don't know, go get you one and impress yourself.
and of course evinrude rigged the test, you can clearly see the yamaha
driver is behind on the throttle and the e-tec gets the grunt on, but
having operated both the Yamaha and e-tec Yamaha 4 stroke has no game
compaired to the e-tec and I don't have to "doubt" about it, I have
experienced it first hand and see it most everyday, weak sick ass but
quiet 4 strokes. man you got to be some kind of fruit cake to not know
the dif and be a boaty guy...theres just know way harry...its funny as
hell really...lolololl


Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?

now your calling on Jesus to help your yamaha, I'm sure he could sqeeze more
toque from the 4 stroke if you pray real hard, but thats what it would take
a real miracle.
your not a little kid are you harry? because I don't like arguing online
with little kids, and any boob knows 2 cycles have much more toque than a
equally rated 4 stroke. now buzz off kid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXTpI...eature=related

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:57:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Very impressive to see his pics and how imaculate of care he took in
the entire refurbish.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's a link to that specific thread I mentioned. I dont' think you
have to register to see the pics:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=286547

Nice job indeed.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:09:04 -0500, "Happy"
wrote:

I do like the older 2
cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of power 4 cycle yamaha's
suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and kids but not for me...hell
no!! slow assed over weight dogs.

All of the 4 stroke outboards seem to lack low end torque compared to
a 2 stroke. They do run quieter and cleaner however, and are OK on
power once you get them spinning fast enough.

"Happy" wrote in message
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"Harry ?" wrote in message
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On 7/19/10 9:41 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry ?" wrote in message
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On 7/19/10 9:09 PM, Happy wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
news Happy wrote:

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...







I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on
the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which
hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in
the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars
and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for
tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor
and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon
valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in
it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are
deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check
to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra
fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a
chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the
transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in
the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been
psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and
they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and
they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a
new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install
new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts
from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good
deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to
me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done
sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply
gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything
else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of
just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this
year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2
day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project.
Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and
have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and
after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to
afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round
trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha
four stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et
cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules
the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy
and emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions,
there torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in
aluminum river john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do
like the older 2 cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of
power 4 cycle yamaha's suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and
kids but not for me...hell no!! slow assed over weight dogs.


Overweight? The 250 hp etec weighs 518 pounds. The new four stroke
Yamaha 250 Vmax weighs 505 pounds. In other words, they weigh about
the same.

I doubt e-tecs will beat a fourstroker on economy, emissions or noise.
I suspect the numbers are pretty damned close.

As for that tired old youtube video, it's been shot to **** a zillion
times already. The owners of evinrude's brand name rigged the test.



"I doubt " so you really don't know, go get you one and impress
yourself.
and of course evinrude rigged the test, you can clearly see the yamaha
driver is behind on the throttle and the e-tec gets the grunt on, but
having operated both the Yamaha and e-tec Yamaha 4 stroke has no game
compaired to the e-tec and I don't have to "doubt" about it, I have
experienced it first hand and see it most everyday, weak sick ass but
quiet 4 strokes. man you got to be some kind of fruit cake to not know
the dif and be a boaty guy...theres just know way harry...its funny as
hell really...lolololl


Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?

now your calling on Jesus to help your yamaha, I'm sure he could sqeeze
more toque from the 4 stroke if you pray real hard, but thats what it
would take a real miracle.
your not a little kid are you harry? because I don't like arguing online
with little kids, and any boob knows 2 cycles have much more toque than a
equally rated 4 stroke. now buzz off kid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXTpI...eature=related


You just saw Harry's version of conceding. He's done, finished, whipped.
He's got nothing left but insults. Happens every time. Congratulations.
--
Harold

On 7/19/10 10:23 PM, Happy wrote:

Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?

now your calling on Jesus to help your yamaha, I'm sure he could sqeeze
more toque from the 4 stroke if you pray real hard, but thats what it
would take a real miracle.
your not a little kid are you harry? because I don't like arguing online
with little kids, and any boob knows 2 cycles have much more toque than
a equally rated 4 stroke. now buzz off kid...


1. My Yamaha doesn't need any help from imaginary gods living somewhere
in the sky.

2. As soon as you have some scientifically accurate, published tests
that compare the torque "output" of similarly spec'd two stroke and four
stroke outboard powerheads at various speeds, why you be sure to post
'em, eh? I'm aware that many two strokes momentarily might have more
"ooomph" when one firewalls the throttle, but that's not a "feature"
that is overwhelmingly important to most boaters. The two four stroke
outboard rigs I have owned have gotten onto plane without firewalling.
The rest of your claims about two stroke superiority in fuel
consumption, noise, and emissions are just plain bull****. There are
miniscule differences between the various brands of outboards of similar
output in these areas, and some of these differences are the result of
gearing, props, weight, et cetera.

3. You should hook up with SW Tom as an e-tec fanboy. His claims about
the gph burn of his e-tec are so far off the charts, they are laughable.

4. Evinrude has a weak dealer network in the Chesapeake Bay area. It
wasn't that strong before OMC went teats-up and a lot of dealers moved
on to other brands. This may not be true in your area, but for every
E-tec you might see around here, you see 10 Yamahas, 6 Mercs, and three
Zukes. The Suzuki brand is the one that's growing in popularity,
probably because its dealer network is improving.

On 7/20/10 8:13 AM, Harold wrote:
"Harry wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 10:23 PM, Happy wrote:

Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?

now your calling on Jesus to help your yamaha, I'm sure he could sqeeze
more toque from the 4 stroke if you pray real hard, but thats what it
would take a real miracle.
your not a little kid are you harry? because I don't like arguing online
with little kids, and any boob knows 2 cycles have much more toque than
a equally rated 4 stroke. now buzz off kid...


1. My Yamaha doesn't need any help from imaginary gods living somewhere in
the sky.

2. As soon as you have some scientifically accurate, published tests that
compare the torque "output" of similarly spec'd two stroke and four stroke
outboard powerheads at various speeds, why you be sure to post 'em, eh?
I'm aware that many two strokes momentarily might have more "ooomph" when
one firewalls the throttle, but that's not a "feature" that is
overwhelmingly important to most boaters. The two four stroke outboard
rigs I have owned have gotten onto plane without firewalling. The rest of
your claims about two stroke superiority in fuel consumption, noise,
and emissions are just plain bull****. There are miniscule differences
between the various brands of outboards of similar output in these areas,
and some of these differences are the result of gearing, props, weight, et
cetera.

3. You should hook up with SW Tom as an e-tec fanboy. His claims about the
gph burn of his e-tec are so far off the charts, they are laughable.

4. Evinrude has a weak dealer network in the Chesapeake Bay area. It
wasn't that strong before OMC went teats-up and a lot of dealers moved on
to other brands. This may not be true in your area, but for every E-tec
you might see around here, you see 10 Yamahas, 6 Mercs, and three Zukes.
The Suzuki brand is the one that's growing in popularity, probably because
its dealer network is improving.

4A. MacDonalds sells the most hambergers. Volume equates to quality.
Harold




You don't even own a boat...and as far as I have seen from your zillions
of posts, you don't really know anything about outboard motors.
Therefore, your opinions on these matters are about as significant as
your unexpressed opinions on the theories of modern naval
warfare.

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 10:23 PM, Happy wrote:

Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?

now your calling on Jesus to help your yamaha, I'm sure he could sqeeze
more toque from the 4 stroke if you pray real hard, but thats what it
would take a real miracle.
your not a little kid are you harry? because I don't like arguing online
with little kids, and any boob knows 2 cycles have much more toque than
a equally rated 4 stroke. now buzz off kid...


1. My Yamaha doesn't need any help from imaginary gods living somewhere in
the sky.

2. As soon as you have some scientifically accurate, published tests that
compare the torque "output" of similarly spec'd two stroke and four stroke
outboard powerheads at various speeds, why you be sure to post 'em, eh?
I'm aware that many two strokes momentarily might have more "ooomph" when
one firewalls the throttle, but that's not a "feature" that is
overwhelmingly important to most boaters. The two four stroke outboard
rigs I have owned have gotten onto plane without firewalling. The rest of
your claims about two stroke superiority in fuel consumption, noise,
and emissions are just plain bull****. There are miniscule differences
between the various brands of outboards of similar output in these areas,
and some of these differences are the result of gearing, props, weight, et
cetera.

3. You should hook up with SW Tom as an e-tec fanboy. His claims about the
gph burn of his e-tec are so far off the charts, they are laughable.

4. Evinrude has a weak dealer network in the Chesapeake Bay area. It
wasn't that strong before OMC went teats-up and a lot of dealers moved on
to other brands. This may not be true in your area, but for every E-tec
you might see around here, you see 10 Yamahas, 6 Mercs, and three Zukes.
The Suzuki brand is the one that's growing in popularity, probably because
its dealer network is improving.

4A. MacDonalds sells the most hambergers. Volume equates to quality.
Harold

In article ,
says...

On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...





I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that pontoon
boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha four stroke,
or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.

Spoofer alert! As a staunch supporter of unions, I'd never, ever tell
someone to buy a Yamaha. They aren't made in the U.S. and certain not
union. Oh, wait, never mind. My union crap is only when it fits my
agenda. After all, I own a Yamaha outboard, a Toyota SUV, and a
Husqvarna lawn mower.

In article ,
says...

On 7/19/10 9:09 PM, Happy wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
news
Happy wrote:

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...






I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2
day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
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Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha
four stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy
and emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions,
there torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in
aluminum river john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do
like the older 2 cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of
power 4 cycle yamaha's suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and
kids but not for me...hell no!! slow assed over weight dogs.


Overweight? The 250 hp etec weighs 518 pounds. The new four stroke
Yamaha 250 Vmax weighs 505 pounds. In other words, they weigh about the
same.

I doubt e-tecs will beat a fourstroker on economy, emissions or noise. I
suspect the numbers are pretty damned close.

As for that tired old youtube video, it's been shot to **** a zillion
times already. The owners of evinrude's brand name rigged the test.

Please provide the facts that Evinrude rigged the test, spoofer.

In article ,
says...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 10:23 PM, Happy wrote:

Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?

now your calling on Jesus to help your yamaha, I'm sure he could sqeeze
more toque from the 4 stroke if you pray real hard, but thats what it
would take a real miracle.
your not a little kid are you harry? because I don't like arguing online
with little kids, and any boob knows 2 cycles have much more toque than
a equally rated 4 stroke. now buzz off kid...


1. My Yamaha doesn't need any help from imaginary gods living somewhere in
the sky.

2. As soon as you have some scientifically accurate, published tests that
compare the torque "output" of similarly spec'd two stroke and four stroke
outboard powerheads at various speeds, why you be sure to post 'em, eh?
I'm aware that many two strokes momentarily might have more "ooomph" when
one firewalls the throttle, but that's not a "feature" that is
overwhelmingly important to most boaters. The two four stroke outboard
rigs I have owned have gotten onto plane without firewalling. The rest of
your claims about two stroke superiority in fuel consumption, noise,
and emissions are just plain bull****. There are miniscule differences
between the various brands of outboards of similar output in these areas,
and some of these differences are the result of gearing, props, weight, et
cetera.

3. You should hook up with SW Tom as an e-tec fanboy. His claims about the
gph burn of his e-tec are so far off the charts, they are laughable.

4. Evinrude has a weak dealer network in the Chesapeake Bay area. It
wasn't that strong before OMC went teats-up and a lot of dealers moved on
to other brands. This may not be true in your area, but for every E-tec
you might see around here, you see 10 Yamahas, 6 Mercs, and three Zukes.
The Suzuki brand is the one that's growing in popularity, probably because
its dealer network is improving.

4A. MacDonalds sells the most hambergers. Volume equates to quality.
Harold

Hey, fella. What matters is that I don't own an E-tec. If I don't own
something, it's no good. Everything I own is the best.