Gfretwell wrote:

And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats

A responsible BASS would rewrite the rules to take the boat race factor out of
the "fishing" tournament. It is ridiculous to inflict 250 hp bass boats on the
residents of small lakes just because Bill Dance has one and "we all want to be
like Bill".
If you just want a boat that goes 60MPH, buy one, but don't try to tell us it
is because you need it to catch fish on a small lake.


I agree, but...

It isn't really bill dance or roland martin or most of the other "names"
with tv shows who are fueling the horsepower race in BASS tournaments.
It is, as you stated, the rules at many of these events that require the
participants to have very high speed boats to cover large areas on the
bigger lakes and rivers.

Bill and Roland are often out in very small boats on their television
shows, Dance especially, and you hardly ever see them racing around.
Most of the working guides on these lakes also use boats suitable for
their waters.

Ever been in one of those 80 mph bass boats at WOT? I have. NOT a
pleasant ride and, even in the best-designed boats, dangerous and scary.




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Capt. Frank,

I hear what you're saying. These guys should have been fined big time.
But in this case it was the passenger that got hurt, who probably wasn't
responsible for the operation of the vessel. Should the pilot of the vessel
be charged for negligent operation? Sounds like it. On the other hand I
wouldn't want every Coast Guard rescue operation to become a trial to
determine guilt. I guess sometimes each of us can get in over our heads and
need help and I hate to get to the point to where we get into deeper trouble
asking for that help. On the other hand, the truly stupid or arrogant who
totally ignore common sense should be held accountable. Now, if only the
wisdom to know the difference between the two.

Paul

P.S. I checked out your web site, very nice. You seem to have outfitted your
boat like the proverbial brick outhouse, nice job. Only thing I didn't see
was a windless.

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...
And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats blew through 2
anchorage's "no wake zone", 1 manatee zone, and a fuel dock area, and an
"idle speed only" while tossing impressive rooster tails. Once they
cleared the bridge, the lead boat encountered the wake of a large
vessel, went airborne, and ejected the passenger, whom was then run over
by the following boat. He lost his arm to a prop.
USCG to the rescue with a chopper and boat. And, all of it un-necessary.
Now, who should pay the bill on that one? The boater, the tournament, or
you and I?

Capt. Frank

DaveH wrote:

You should hear some of the incompotent nonsense that happens here on
the
Chesapeake. Recently I heard an exchange between a tow-boat operator,
and
some guy who'd piloted his boat up onto some rocks, about 2AM. The
tow-boat
guy told the boater to attach the tow-hook to the D-ring on his transom.
The boater asked for help locating his transom. Then the tow-dude told
Mr.
Stranded to shine his light where the tow-hook was attached to the boat.
Then, he said "Don't shine the light on me, shine it where the line is
attached to YOUR boat." I kid you not.

Dave

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

Well, sometimes it's justified. In the case of hikers, I recall at least

two

news stories which mentioned that the searches had cost a couple of
small
town police departments a few hundred grand for helicopter time, etc.
In
both cases, the hikers were woefully unprepared and inexperienced, for
the
terrain and weather they were trying to tackle. That's wrong.

"Keith" wrote in message
...

Yep. Your tax dollars are no longer enough... they'll charge you by the

hour

if they possibly can.

--


Keith
__
If you must pick between two evils, pick the one you've never tried

before.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

I'm curious: The park service and other agencies say that if they have

to

rescue people incompetent backpackers who think their first practice

run

should be in January in North Dakota, they will charge them for the

expenses

incurred. Has anyone heard of the Coast Guard saying similar things?

Gfretwell,
Comes down to bragging rights as far as I can figure. Sort of like a
gun, it comes with responsibilities.
Paul

"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats

A responsible BASS would rewrite the rules to take the boat race factor
out of
the "fishing" tournament. It is ridiculous to inflict 250 hp bass boats on
the
residents of small lakes just because Bill Dance has one and "we all want
to be
like Bill".
If you just want a boat that goes 60MPH, buy one, but don't try to tell us
it
is because you need it to catch fish on a small lake.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Anchoring one's boat in the middle of a bunch of others, all of whom are
enjoying a quiet cove, and then cranking up your stereo. They get the metal
pillories during a lightning storm. :-)

Anybody named Chad or just sailboaters in general. Although I doubt
the effectiveness of putting a sailboater somewhere where he did not
move for a long time. Seems most of them are already quite used to it!
Scotty just kidding Steve

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gfretwell wrote:

And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats

A responsible BASS would rewrite the rules to take the boat race factor
out of
the "fishing" tournament. It is ridiculous to inflict 250 hp bass boats
on the
residents of small lakes just because Bill Dance has one and "we all
want to be
like Bill".
If you just want a boat that goes 60MPH, buy one, but don't try to tell
us it
is because you need it to catch fish on a small lake.


I agree, but...

It isn't really bill dance or roland martin or most of the other "names"
with tv shows who are fueling the horsepower race in BASS tournaments.
It is, as you stated, the rules at many of these events that require the
participants to have very high speed boats to cover large areas on the
bigger lakes and rivers.

Bill and Roland are often out in very small boats on their television
shows, Dance especially, and you hardly ever see them racing around.
Most of the working guides on these lakes also use boats suitable for
their waters.

Ever been in one of those 80 mph bass boats at WOT? I have. NOT a
pleasant ride and, even in the best-designed boats, dangerous and scary.



The real ****er is those of us who own so called performance boats (Baja,
Checkmate, Pantera, Cigarette, Scarab, etc) pay big assed insurance premiums
because of the speed (or perception of them as fast) of our boats while the
assholes in the 84 MPH bassracers pay squat in comparison. It's scary to
watch those idiots fly along like they are Miss Budwieser in their little
flat bottom hull with a 225 HP OB screaming along...... and then the ****
hits the fan when they hit a sailboat wake.....

Amen!

C.F.

Harry Krause wrote:
Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote:


And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats blew through 2
anchorage's "no wake zone", 1 manatee zone, and a fuel dock area, and an
"idle speed only" while tossing impressive rooster tails. Once they
cleared the bridge, the lead boat encountered the wake of a large
vessel, went airborne, and ejected the passenger, whom was then run over
by the following boat. He lost his arm to a prop.
USCG to the rescue with a chopper and boat. And, all of it un-necessary.
Now, who should pay the bill on that one? The boater, the tournament, or
you and I?

Capt. Frank


Hey, we've got a new contributor to this newsgroup who took his 16'
Bayliner out into 8' waves on Lake Erie because he didn't want to be
late to a party his girlfriend was having.

Stupidity isn't limited to your part of the waterways.

This particular tournament was in fact sponsored by a dockside bar and
package store. The booze doth flow freely as the river. As far as I
know, the tournament was not sanctioned.

Capt. Frank

Gfretwell wrote:

And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats


A responsible BASS would rewrite the rules to take the boat race factor out of
the "fishing" tournament. It is ridiculous to inflict 250 hp bass boats on the
residents of small lakes just because Bill Dance has one and "we all want to be
like Bill".
If you just want a boat that goes 60MPH, buy one, but don't try to tell us it
is because you need it to catch fish on a small lake.

I had a great one this weekend.... Diving off of Pompano beach....A 38'
Sea ray HITS OUR FLOATING Dive flag.... upon surfacing we asked him "Do
you know what the red and white flag means?" His answer... sure...
divers down below.... We then asked why he came so close as to hit
it.... his answer..."Cause it means there is a good dive spot below
it... maybe even lobsters!!!"



Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote:
And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats blew through 2
anchorage's "no wake zone", 1 manatee zone, and a fuel dock area, and an
"idle speed only" while tossing impressive rooster tails. Once they
cleared the bridge, the lead boat encountered the wake of a large
vessel, went airborne, and ejected the passenger, whom was then run over
by the following boat. He lost his arm to a prop.
USCG to the rescue with a chopper and boat. And, all of it un-necessary.
Now, who should pay the bill on that one? The boater, the tournament, or
you and I?

Capt. Frank

DaveH wrote:

You should hear some of the incompotent nonsense that happens here on the
Chesapeake. Recently I heard an exchange between a tow-boat operator,
and
some guy who'd piloted his boat up onto some rocks, about 2AM. The
tow-boat
guy told the boater to attach the tow-hook to the D-ring on his transom.
The boater asked for help locating his transom. Then the tow-dude
told Mr.
Stranded to shine his light where the tow-hook was attached to the boat.
Then, he said "Don't shine the light on me, shine it where the line is
attached to YOUR boat." I kid you not.

Dave

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

Well, sometimes it's justified. In the case of hikers, I recall at least


two

news stories which mentioned that the searches had cost a couple of
small
town police departments a few hundred grand for helicopter time,
etc. In
both cases, the hikers were woefully unprepared and inexperienced,
for the
terrain and weather they were trying to tackle. That's wrong.

"Keith" wrote in message
...

Yep. Your tax dollars are no longer enough... they'll charge you by the


hour

if they possibly can.

--


Keith
__
If you must pick between two evils, pick the one you've never tried


before.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

I'm curious: The park service and other agencies say that if they have


to

rescue people incompetent backpackers who think their first practice


run

should be in January in North Dakota, they will charge them for the


expenses

incurred. Has anyone heard of the Coast Guard saying similar things?

Good point Paul. I often say a prayer for the same wisdom. As it stands,
the attorneys are having a field day! I wish more attorneys were serious
boaters. In these overprotected, wild life sanctuaries, polluted, over
crowded waters, we need a ray of hope.

Capt. Frank

Paul Schilter wrote:

Capt. Frank,

I hear what you're saying. These guys should have been fined big time.
But in this case it was the passenger that got hurt, who probably wasn't
responsible for the operation of the vessel. Should the pilot of the vessel
be charged for negligent operation? Sounds like it. On the other hand I
wouldn't want every Coast Guard rescue operation to become a trial to
determine guilt. I guess sometimes each of us can get in over our heads and
need help and I hate to get to the point to where we get into deeper trouble
asking for that help. On the other hand, the truly stupid or arrogant who
totally ignore common sense should be held accountable. Now, if only the
wisdom to know the difference between the two.

Paul

P.S. I checked out your web site, very nice. You seem to have outfitted your
boat like the proverbial brick outhouse, nice job. Only thing I didn't see
was a windless.

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...

And then there is the incident during the "poor boy's fishin'
tournament" where the pack of go-fast bass boats blew through 2
anchorage's "no wake zone", 1 manatee zone, and a fuel dock area, and an
"idle speed only" while tossing impressive rooster tails. Once they
cleared the bridge, the lead boat encountered the wake of a large
vessel, went airborne, and ejected the passenger, whom was then run over
by the following boat. He lost his arm to a prop.
USCG to the rescue with a chopper and boat. And, all of it un-necessary.
Now, who should pay the bill on that one? The boater, the tournament, or
you and I?

Capt. Frank

DaveH wrote:


You should hear some of the incompotent nonsense that happens here on

the

Chesapeake. Recently I heard an exchange between a tow-boat operator,

and

some guy who'd piloted his boat up onto some rocks, about 2AM. The

tow-boat

guy told the boater to attach the tow-hook to the D-ring on his transom.
The boater asked for help locating his transom. Then the tow-dude told

Mr.

Stranded to shine his light where the tow-hook was attached to the boat.
Then, he said "Don't shine the light on me, shine it where the line is
attached to YOUR boat." I kid you not.

Dave

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...


Well, sometimes it's justified. In the case of hikers, I recall at least

two


news stories which mentioned that the searches had cost a couple of

small

town police departments a few hundred grand for helicopter time, etc.

In

both cases, the hikers were woefully unprepared and inexperienced, for

the

terrain and weather they were trying to tackle. That's wrong.

"Keith" wrote in message
...


Yep. Your tax dollars are no longer enough... they'll charge you by the

hour


if they possibly can.

--


Keith
__
If you must pick between two evils, pick the one you've never tried

before.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...


I'm curious: The park service and other agencies say that if they have

to


rescue people incompetent backpackers who think their first practice

run


should be in January in North Dakota, they will charge them for the

expenses


incurred. Has anyone heard of the Coast Guard saying similar things?