"John H" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:00:10 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Jan 1, 8:41 pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message

...

On 1/1/11 12:43 PM, wrote:

Wow... this will be fun!

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci.../san-francisco...

Where would the actual racing take place? Out in the open ocean or...a
course around Alcatraz Island? The latter would sure draw shoreline
crowds on all sides of the Bay.

Reply: Could be around Alcatraz to the Farallon Islands and back.
already
a couple sailboat races a year that do that. About 26 miles to the
islands.
There are questions on how a bankrupt city like SF can afford to do the
upgrades required.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110101/...iling_americas

I'm not really into that kind of racing but if it can pump some more
money back into the US I'm all for it.

Tim, I never had any use for it either, until the 1992 race was held. We
were in
Germany, and Armed Forces Network carried it live, from about 2AM to 5AM.
The
announcers were great. They would explain the tactics being used and use
diagrams to show what was happening. If it had just been a picture of some
sail
boats chasing each other, we'd have lost interest immediately. I've seen
some
broadc asts since then, but not with the announcing that we had for the 1992
race.

I definitely don't like the way the stations here will try to cram three
hours
worth of racing into a half-hour show.

But, having said that...if you're up for a Moto Guzzi ride to San Francisco,
just say the word. Hell, we can probably stay with Calif Bill. He's got a
pretty
decent head on his shoulders. He'd probably keep us out of trouble with the
gays, pedophiles, transvestites, etc, etc, roaming the streets looking for
handsome young lads such as you and me!

Reply:
Keep you out of trouble, but Tim? If he is hairy as well as big, the boys
here loves "Bears".

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:07:06 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:32:20 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:52:08 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote:

Cato Institute? Do you know who they are?
That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO.
That has nothing to do with what they actually do.

"Vice-President Gore leads the Administration’'S efforts to reinvent
government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that
Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal
[civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and
common sense changes have been made in the way government works
that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing


That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an
incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early
retirement. I know a guy who took it.
The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway.


So, you're claiming that U of Missouri was lying??? But, you believe
everything the Heritage Foundation says...

No, you are claiming these people were fired ... remember what this
was about?
I am saying they simply allowed people to retire without replacing all
of them. This was not a layoff and they moved others around to fill
the slots.
There is a CBO report on H.R.3218 that lays out one of these programs
and explains all of this.

Later in your article you notice they ended up promoting people from
lower grades to higher grades and the payroll actually went up.
It also shifted a lot of the burden from the payroll to the unfunded
pension system, something that corporate America was doing

You said that the federal worker is basically immune from downsizing.
This is not correct. Seems to me you want it both ways. You want
"permanent" jobs, but then complain when people have that.

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:31:32 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:00:10 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Jan 1, 8:41 pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message

...

On 1/1/11 12:43 PM, wrote:

Wow... this will be fun!

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci.../san-francisco...

Where would the actual racing take place? Out in the open ocean or...a
course around Alcatraz Island? The latter would sure draw shoreline
crowds on all sides of the Bay.

Reply: Could be around Alcatraz to the Farallon Islands and back.
already
a couple sailboat races a year that do that. About 26 miles to the
islands.
There are questions on how a bankrupt city like SF can afford to do the
upgrades required.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110101/...iling_americas

I'm not really into that kind of racing but if it can pump some more
money back into the US I'm all for it.

Tim, I never had any use for it either, until the 1992 race was held. We
were in
Germany, and Armed Forces Network carried it live, from about 2AM to 5AM.
The
announcers were great. They would explain the tactics being used and use
diagrams to show what was happening. If it had just been a picture of some
sail
boats chasing each other, we'd have lost interest immediately. I've seen
some
broadc asts since then, but not with the announcing that we had for the 1992
race.

I definitely don't like the way the stations here will try to cram three
hours
worth of racing into a half-hour show.

But, having said that...if you're up for a Moto Guzzi ride to San Francisco,
just say the word. Hell, we can probably stay with Calif Bill. He's got a
pretty
decent head on his shoulders. He'd probably keep us out of trouble with the
gays, pedophiles, transvestites, etc, etc, roaming the streets looking for
handsome young lads such as you and me!

Reply:
Keep you out of trouble, but Tim? If he is hairy as well as big, the boys
here loves "Bears".


He's both, but as far as I know, he's house-broke.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

....talk about inflammatory and political!!

On 1/5/11 2:07 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

Your post is irrelevant to the conversation. He never said he "wanted"
anything at all, he was arguing with you a definition, period. Your
tactics are strangely familiar...


Doing a bit of instigating on the side?

On 1/5/11 2:18 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.



Retribution? From me? That's absurd. Besides, one of my new year's
resolutions was to take the far righties here even less seriously, if
possible. I really don't give a damn how much political or religious
crap you post here. Once in a while, though, you ought to consider
posting something of interest that relates to boating.

In article ,
says...

On 1/5/11 2:18 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.



Retribution? From me? That's absurd. Besides, one of my new year's
resolutions was to take the far righties here even less seriously, if
possible. I really don't give a damn how much political or religious
crap you post here. Once in a while, though, you ought to consider
posting something of interest that relates to boating.

Once in a while, though YOU ought to consider posting something of
interest that relates to boating, spoofer.

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:33:17 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote:

Cato Institute? Do you know who they are?
That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO.
That has nothing to do with what they actually do.

"Vice-President Gore leads the Administration?'S efforts to reinvent
government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that
Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal
[civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and
common sense changes have been made in the way government works
that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing


That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an
incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early
retirement. I know a guy who took it.
The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway.


Some people believe everything in print. In my tenure at the USDA I saw
many people get promoted out. The were promoted to a grade that was
higher than their position which required them to get a position in
another agency at their new grade. This was the easiest and fastest way
to get them to out.

Also, incompetence was abundant and all you could do was send people to
classes to try and make them un-incompetent. This helped but it rarely
resolved the problem.

DePlume can believe that AlGore reduced the government rolls by 350,000
but what she isn't saying is that Bill Clinton increased them by 500,000
at the same time.

So, you're claiming the U of M was lying... well, ok.

On 1/5/11 3:08 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:33:17 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote:

Cato Institute? Do you know who they are?
That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO.
That has nothing to do with what they actually do.

"Vice-President Gore leads the Administration?'S efforts to reinvent
government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that
Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal
[civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and
common sense changes have been made in the way government works
that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing


That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an
incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early
retirement. I know a guy who took it.
The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway.


Some people believe everything in print. In my tenure at the USDA I saw
many people get promoted out. The were promoted to a grade that was
higher than their position which required them to get a position in
another agency at their new grade. This was the easiest and fastest way
to get them to out.

Also, incompetence was abundant and all you could do was send people to
classes to try and make them un-incompetent. This helped but it rarely
resolved the problem.

DePlume can believe that AlGore reduced the government rolls by 350,000
but what she isn't saying is that Bill Clinton increased them by 500,000
at the same time.

So, you're claiming the U of M was lying... well, ok.


Hey...it's an *academic* institution...

"John H" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!


Krause was banished from Maryland Shooters list for similar shenanigans.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=26680&page=4
It seems like he acts like an asshole wherever he posts.
Wouldn't it be a good idea if we just ignored him?

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Ziggy®