On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:07:13 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

On 1/5/11 4:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In articlerbmdnaW0RfaSR7nQnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/5/11 3:47 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 1/5/11 7:33 AM, BAR wrote:


Some people believe everything in print. In my tenure at the USDA I saw
many people get promoted out. The were promoted to a grade that was
higher than their position which required them to get a position in
another agency at their new grade. This was the easiest and fastest way
to get them to out.

Also, incompetence was abundant and all you could do was send people to
classes to try and make them un-incompetent. This helped but it rarely
resolved the problem.

DePlume can believe that AlGore reduced the government rolls by 350,000
but what she isn't saying is that Bill Clinton increased them by 500,000
at the same time.


What percentage of your employer's business is done with federal, state,
and local governmental agencies, or other corporations whose main
business is with government or governmental agencies?

I don't know, why don't you ask my company.



Sure...send me the name and phone number of the VP of Governmental
Relations.

My guess is the percentage is high, and that it is humorous when someone
working for a company sucking on as many governmental teats as possible
whines about the supplier of the milk.

You are a ****ing genius figure it out.




A ****ing genius? Well, I'm competent in the bedroom, but no one has
called me that. Thanks.


LOL

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:28:46 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

On 1/5/11 3:08 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:33:17 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:20 -0800, wrote:

Cato Institute? Do you know who they are?
That is a Libertarian group saying what the government SHOULD DO.
That has nothing to do with what they actually do.

"Vice-President Gore leads the Administration?'S efforts to reinvent
government, making it work better, cost less, and get results that
Americans care about. Under his leadership, the size of the federal
[civilian] workforce has been reduced by about 350,000 people, and
common sense changes have been made in the way government works
that have saved the taxpayers $ 137 billion."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3973816/Re...ral-Downsizing


That was a great PR stunt but nobody was laid off. There was an
incentive for people to take what was essentially a buyout into early
retirement. I know a guy who took it.
The overall government workforce stayed about the same anyway.


Some people believe everything in print. In my tenure at the USDA I saw
many people get promoted out. The were promoted to a grade that was
higher than their position which required them to get a position in
another agency at their new grade. This was the easiest and fastest way
to get them to out.

Also, incompetence was abundant and all you could do was send people to
classes to try and make them un-incompetent. This helped but it rarely
resolved the problem.

DePlume can believe that AlGore reduced the government rolls by 350,000
but what she isn't saying is that Bill Clinton increased them by 500,000
at the same time.

So, you're claiming the U of M was lying... well, ok.


Hey...it's an *academic* institution...

OIC

On 1/5/11 4:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:18:25 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/5/11 2:07 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

Your post is irrelevant to the conversation. He never said he "wanted"
anything at all, he was arguing with you a definition, period. Your
tactics are strangely familiar...


Doing a bit of instigating on the side?

I mostly ignore him. I means what's the point...


Likewise, these days.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:18:21 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!

Talk about supporting more nonsense and bad posting behavior...

On 1/5/11 4:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:18:21 -0500, John
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!

Talk about supporting more nonsense and bad posting behavior...


Some of the boys just can't help themselves!

"John H" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:41:29 -0500, Ziggy®
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!


Krause was banished from Maryland Shooters list for similar shenanigans.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=26680&page=4
It seems like he acts like an asshole wherever he posts.
Wouldn't it be a good idea if we just ignored him?

Splitter's a pretty bright guy.

Seems so. What ever possessed Krause to antagonize a bunch of gun enthusiasts; in his own neighborhood yet.



--
Ziggy®

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:24:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:18:21 -0500, John H
wrote:

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!

There's an important difference: It's called maturity, good
judgement, and emotional stability.

Please don't prove me wrong.

There you go criticizing my age, my inability to escape the draft, and my CRS
syndrome.

Just can't win with you.

On 1/5/11 6:04 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

"John wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!


Krause was banished from Maryland Shooters list for similar shenanigans.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=26680&page=4
It seems like he acts like an asshole wherever he posts.
Wouldn't it be a good idea if we just ignored him?

ROTFLMAO! He really does play the same cards at several sites at at
time...

Quote from moderator after the binning...

We ban people for being assholes and/or asshats, not for being
"questioning moderates".

End of Quote... and that was a frekin' moderator!snerk

Yes, this Hakr fellow tried to pass himself off as a "questioning
moderate" over there and of course it lasted about three minutes..
Nobody believed him, and he got binned.. Wonder if he set some kind of
record yet?

snerk




I've never been tossed down the stairs at a police station, though.

On 1/5/11 5:02 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/5/11 2:07 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

Your post is irrelevant to the conversation. He never said he "wanted"
anything at all, he was arguing with you a definition, period. Your
tactics are strangely familiar...


Doing a bit of instigating on the side?

Nope, I was addressing Plums disingenuous assertion/instigation...
That's all...


Uh-huh.

Ziggy® wrote:
"John wrote in message ...

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:


On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:


It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

...talk about inflammatory and political!!


Krause was banished from Maryland Shooters list for similar shenanigans.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=26680&page=4
It seems like he acts like an asshole wherever he posts.
Wouldn't it be a good idea if we just ignored him?


I'm not surprised.