On Jan 16, 10:13*am, Spoofer wrote:
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...





On 1/16/11 1:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:54:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
*wrote:

On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, *wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

*wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small (28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. *NO arguing or tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. *HOW is this possible? *It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: *Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. *Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. *Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. *EXTREME extrovert. *Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. *While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time..
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. *I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness *but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? *I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. *I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. *It's enough to
make *a man paranoid.

I take part in a traditional european christmas dinner with 10 married
friends around the same age. *Dinner lasts for 8 or more hours with
tons of consumption and even more conversation.

It's among my favorite gatherings of the year. *I'm not sure I could
tell you what we talked about but it certainly includes kids,
politics, wives, work, funny stories, local attractions, cars, boats,
work and a whole lot else.

Very enjoyable. *I expect it could last for days in the right setting.
Sounds like you provided the right setting.

My wife, who gets paid to listen, says most men in therapy rarely
discuss "relationships" with significant others in great detail, as
opposed to women, who spend much of their time in therapy discussing
little else. I can't recall that I've ever discussed the details of my
relationship with a woman while talking to a guy. My wife and I have a
bachelor friend who dates every woman he meets. Whenever I see that
friend, my wife always asks, "So, how's Dave's new girl friend?" I never
know, because we never discuss his girl friends.

Women, on the other hand, will know how much belly button lint the guy
their female friend is dating has.

An eight-hour dinner? I'd fall asleep! *:)

Your wife the Dr. Dr. Dr.??

We did not tow the dinghy long enough to know how much it slowed us.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 10:54 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jps wrote:



On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small (28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. NO arguing or tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. HOW is this possible? It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. EXTREME extrovert. Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time.
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. It's enough to
make a man paranoid.

Mostly, I allowed them to steer and handle sails while I gladly
exercised my major obsession with navigation, plotting our position on
the paper charts. Give me a paper chart and I can amuse myself for
hours.
We did lose the dinghy once when we tried towing it. It rapidly
filled with water and broke the rope. I managed to balance on the
boarding ladder bailing it while we continued under sail. Normally, I
sail alone so it was a major luxury to be able to sail with guys who
know how to do things with rope, like hoisting the dinghy.
Anchoring was another time I was glad to have cavers aboard as they
naturally know how to handle long lengths of rope without tangling
it. All I had to do was explain the necessity of not tangling the
anchor rope and they did it right without asking how. Being with
smart people whose abilities I really trust was a luxury I almost
never have and I truly enjoyed it.

Can you imagine taking the same trip with the likes of Freak, Loonie
Flatulent Jim, Dingy Dan etc???
That's one time I'd recommend packin' heat.

On 1/16/11 10:30 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 10:54 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jps wrote:



On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small
(28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. NO arguing or tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. HOW is this possible? It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. EXTREME extrovert. Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time.
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. It's enough to
make a man paranoid.

Mostly, I allowed them to steer and handle sails while I gladly
exercised my major obsession with navigation, plotting our position on
the paper charts. Give me a paper chart and I can amuse myself for
hours.
We did lose the dinghy once when we tried towing it. It rapidly
filled with water and broke the rope. I managed to balance on the
boarding ladder bailing it while we continued under sail. Normally, I
sail alone so it was a major luxury to be able to sail with guys who
know how to do things with rope, like hoisting the dinghy.
Anchoring was another time I was glad to have cavers aboard as they
naturally know how to handle long lengths of rope without tangling
it. All I had to do was explain the necessity of not tangling the
anchor rope and they did it right without asking how. Being with
smart people whose abilities I really trust was a luxury I almost
never have and I truly enjoyed it.

Can you imagine taking the same trip with the likes of Freak, Loonie
Flatulent Jim, Dingy Dan etc???
That's one time I'd recommend packin' heat.


It's important to keep that sort of trash *off* your boat.

In article ,
says...

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 10:54 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jps wrote:



On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small (28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. NO arguing or tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. HOW is this possible? It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. EXTREME extrovert. Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time.
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. It's enough to
make a man paranoid.

Mostly, I allowed them to steer and handle sails while I gladly
exercised my major obsession with navigation, plotting our position on
the paper charts. Give me a paper chart and I can amuse myself for
hours.
We did lose the dinghy once when we tried towing it. It rapidly
filled with water and broke the rope. I managed to balance on the
boarding ladder bailing it while we continued under sail. Normally, I
sail alone so it was a major luxury to be able to sail with guys who
know how to do things with rope, like hoisting the dinghy.
Anchoring was another time I was glad to have cavers aboard as they
naturally know how to handle long lengths of rope without tangling
it. All I had to do was explain the necessity of not tangling the
anchor rope and they did it right without asking how. Being with
smart people whose abilities I really trust was a luxury I almost
never have and I truly enjoyed it.

Can you imagine taking the same trip with the likes of Freak, Loonie
Flatulent Jim, Dingy Dan etc???
That's one time I'd recommend packin' heat.

Another stupid reply from Don.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/16/11 10:30 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 10:54 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jps wrote:



On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small
(28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. NO arguing or tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. HOW is this possible? It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. EXTREME extrovert. Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time.
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. It's enough to
make a man paranoid.

Mostly, I allowed them to steer and handle sails while I gladly
exercised my major obsession with navigation, plotting our position on
the paper charts. Give me a paper chart and I can amuse myself for
hours.
We did lose the dinghy once when we tried towing it. It rapidly
filled with water and broke the rope. I managed to balance on the
boarding ladder bailing it while we continued under sail. Normally, I
sail alone so it was a major luxury to be able to sail with guys who
know how to do things with rope, like hoisting the dinghy.
Anchoring was another time I was glad to have cavers aboard as they
naturally know how to handle long lengths of rope without tangling
it. All I had to do was explain the necessity of not tangling the
anchor rope and they did it right without asking how. Being with
smart people whose abilities I really trust was a luxury I almost
never have and I truly enjoyed it.

Can you imagine taking the same trip with the likes of Freak, Loonie
Flatulent Jim, Dingy Dan etc???
That's one time I'd recommend packin' heat.


It's important to keep that sort of trash *off* your boat.

Trash that exposes your lies?

On 1/16/2011 10:36 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/16/11 10:30 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 10:54 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jps wrote:



On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small
(28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. NO arguing or
tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. HOW is this possible? It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. EXTREME extrovert. Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time.
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. It's enough to
make a man paranoid.

Mostly, I allowed them to steer and handle sails while I gladly
exercised my major obsession with navigation, plotting our position on
the paper charts. Give me a paper chart and I can amuse myself for
hours.
We did lose the dinghy once when we tried towing it. It rapidly
filled with water and broke the rope. I managed to balance on the
boarding ladder bailing it while we continued under sail. Normally, I
sail alone so it was a major luxury to be able to sail with guys who
know how to do things with rope, like hoisting the dinghy.
Anchoring was another time I was glad to have cavers aboard as they
naturally know how to handle long lengths of rope without tangling
it. All I had to do was explain the necessity of not tangling the
anchor rope and they did it right without asking how. Being with
smart people whose abilities I really trust was a luxury I almost
never have and I truly enjoyed it.

Can you imagine taking the same trip with the likes of Freak, Loonie
Flatulent Jim, Dingy Dan etc???
That's one time I'd recommend packin' heat.


It's important to keep that sort of trash *off* your boat.

And lock the head if any females are aboard.

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:36:19 -0500, Harryk wrote:

On 1/16/11 10:30 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jan 15, 10:54 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jps wrote:



On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:51:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
HAving just completed a great sailing trip with 4 men on a small
(28')
sailboat, I am still amazed at how it went. NO arguing or tension, no
feelings of lack of personal space, general agreement on most things
and we parted as good friends. HOW is this possible? It amazes me so
much that I have puzzled over it for days.
Consider: Person A, myself, extreme introvert who is self confident
in all techie matters but not so much in people things.
Person B. Another introvert, even more than myself
Person C. Less introverted than A or B but still on the introverted
side.
Person D. EXTREME extrovert. Never stops talking and constantly
makes jokes about everything.

Being the boat owner, having far more sailing experience than the
others and being oldest, I was clearly captain on the water. While
ashore, I relinquished responsibility to Person D most of the time.
All of the group except Person C were cavers so tend to be self
sufficient.
I maintain that Person D was the critical component in maintaining
group harmony but am not sure why.
This experience will certainly cause me to evaluate groups before
future trips. I had actually been sorta dreading the enforced
closeness but miss the group now that it is over.

Are any of the four given to being disagreeable by nature? I chalk it
up to being men and being on vacation.

My wife asks, "what did you guys talk about all that time, sex?"
"Of course not", I reply, men rarely talk about sex.
"Did you talk about women"? she asks.
"Hardly at all", I reply
"Then what", she wonders?
Truthfully, I cannot remember what we discussed except the trip and
previous caving trips but we seemed to laugh non-stop. I did my share
of science geek talk with one of the guys who has such an interest but
mostly it was a little sports, a little about our families about
friends, nothing unusual at all.
Women seem to think that men talk of nothing but sex and women whereas
we do nothing like that.
NOW, I wonder if that is what women always talk about. It's enough to
make a man paranoid.

Mostly, I allowed them to steer and handle sails while I gladly
exercised my major obsession with navigation, plotting our position on
the paper charts. Give me a paper chart and I can amuse myself for
hours.
We did lose the dinghy once when we tried towing it. It rapidly
filled with water and broke the rope. I managed to balance on the
boarding ladder bailing it while we continued under sail. Normally, I
sail alone so it was a major luxury to be able to sail with guys who
know how to do things with rope, like hoisting the dinghy.
Anchoring was another time I was glad to have cavers aboard as they
naturally know how to handle long lengths of rope without tangling
it. All I had to do was explain the necessity of not tangling the
anchor rope and they did it right without asking how. Being with
smart people whose abilities I really trust was a luxury I almost
never have and I truly enjoyed it.

Can you imagine taking the same trip with the likes of Freak, Loonie
Flatulent Jim, Dingy Dan etc???
That's one time I'd recommend packin' heat.


It's important to keep that sort of trash *off* your boat.

It's important not to screw up a nice thread.

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:24:40 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

We did not tow the dinghy long enough to know how much it slowed us.

On my old Cal-34 we used to estimate that the dinghy slowed us
somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 knot. Even with our trawler which has
tons of weight and a lot of power, we think the dinghy slows us by 1
or 2 tenths. At 6 or 7 kts the dinghy is leaving a bigger wake than
the trawler.

On Jan 16, 8:29*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:24:40 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
We did not tow the dinghy long enough to know how much it slowed us.

On my old Cal-34 we used to estimate that the dinghy slowed us
somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 knot. *Even with our trawler which has
tons of weight and a lot of power, we think the dinghy slows us by 1
or 2 tenths. * At 6 or 7 kts the dinghy is leaving a bigger wake than
the trawler.

There was a woman who was supposed to go with us. This had my wife
very unhappy to which I replied, "I'm an unattractive 54 yr old guy
with poor social skills whereas there are two single younger guys on
the trip who would be considered much nicer than me". This did not
placate her but fortunately, the woman cancelled at last minute.

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:10:40 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jan 16, 8:29*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:24:40 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch

wrote:
We did not tow the dinghy long enough to know how much it slowed us.

On my old Cal-34 we used to estimate that the dinghy slowed us
somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 knot. *Even with our trawler which has
tons of weight and a lot of power, we think the dinghy slows us by 1
or 2 tenths. * At 6 or 7 kts the dinghy is leaving a bigger wake than
the trawler.

There was a woman who was supposed to go with us. This had my wife
very unhappy to which I replied, "I'm an unattractive 54 yr old guy
with poor social skills whereas there are two single younger guys on
the trip who would be considered much nicer than me". This did not
placate her but fortunately, the woman cancelled at last minute.

I could tell some stories here but won't go there. Some of my best
racing crew were women however.