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I suspect "cabin fever" is to blame
On 1/18/11 6:58 AM, Jack. wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:24 pm, wrote: On 1/17/11 7:16 PM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 6:39 pm, wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org... In articlecee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Reply: TOTALLY WRONG!!!! Crack the valve about 1/4 turn. Same with all flammable gas cylinders. O2, Argon etc. that are high pressure and inert have back seals. You want to be able to turn the tank off quickly if there is a leak or fire. Take any welding class and you will learn about gas safety. Propane is a lot safer than a lot of the flammable gas as it is a liquid under pressure and therefore is at a lot lower pressure in the tank. Acetylene is a higher pressure in the tank but is in solution in acetone (I think that is the liquid) as acetylene will self ignite explosively at a fairly low pressure. From the Weber website: Cart Based Models * Close the LP tank valve * Turn all burner control knobs to the OFF position * Open the grill lid * Turn the LP tank valve until it is completely open * Wait several seconds * Turn the front burner to the HI/Start position * Press the igniter until the burner is lit. * Turn remaining burners to High * Close the lid. * The grill should preheat to 500-550 degrees in 10-15 minutes As you point out, LP is not the same as acetylene. Those are the instructions on how to resolve a particular problem, not the directions for S.O.P. Do what you want. I emailed Weber and will post its answer here. I assume Weber will not offer up incorrect advice on something as critical as avoiding an explosion or out of control fire. What you posted, by the way, is what I did when I first fired up the grill. I assumed one opened the tank valve all the way. It makes sense to me, since the actual flow of gas to the grill is "regulated" by the burner controls. |
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#32
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I suspect "cabin fever" is to blame
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:16:46 -0800 (PST), "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 17, 6:39*pm, "Califbill" wrote: "I am Tosk" *wrote in l-september.org... In article cee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, Harryk wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. *They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Reply: TOTALLY WRONG!!!! *Crack the valve about 1/4 turn. *Same with all flammable gas cylinders. *O2, Argon etc. that are high pressure and inert have back seals. *You want to be able to turn the tank off quickly if there is a leak or fire. *Take any welding class and you will learn about gas safety. Propane is a lot safer than a lot of the flammable gas as it is a liquid under pressure and therefore is at a lot lower pressure in the tank. Acetylene is a higher pressure in the tank but is in solution in acetone (I think that is the liquid) as acetylene will self ignite explosively at a fairly low pressure. From the Weber website: Cart Based Models * Close the LP tank valve * Turn all burner control knobs to the OFF position * Open the grill lid * Turn the LP tank valve until it is completely open * Wait several seconds * Turn the front burner to the HI/Start position * Press the igniter until the burner is lit. * Turn remaining burners to High * Close the lid. * The grill should preheat to 500-550 degrees in 10-15 minutes As you point out, LP is not the same as acetylene. The Weber folks also add that when turning on the LP tank valve, one should do so very slowly so the regulator doesn't get overwhelmed. And, the 'several seconds' wait should be at least 30. That's what they told me when I couldn't get my grill to do more than just flutter for a while and then die. Their technique worked. Now, though, I just leave the LP valve open all the time. Oh, and buy something to protect the gas line from squirrels. They love that rubber. I've been using one of these for a few years now. Haven't had any problems after going through two hoses. http://www.accentshopping.com/product.asp?P_ID=149548 Takes a few minutes to install, but lasts forever. |
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#33
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:15:43 -0500, Harryk wrote:
On 1/18/11 6:58 AM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 8:24 pm, wrote: On 1/17/11 7:16 PM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 6:39 pm, wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org... In articlecee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Reply: TOTALLY WRONG!!!! Crack the valve about 1/4 turn. Same with all flammable gas cylinders. O2, Argon etc. that are high pressure and inert have back seals. You want to be able to turn the tank off quickly if there is a leak or fire. Take any welding class and you will learn about gas safety. Propane is a lot safer than a lot of the flammable gas as it is a liquid under pressure and therefore is at a lot lower pressure in the tank. Acetylene is a higher pressure in the tank but is in solution in acetone (I think that is the liquid) as acetylene will self ignite explosively at a fairly low pressure. From the Weber website: Cart Based Models * Close the LP tank valve * Turn all burner control knobs to the OFF position * Open the grill lid * Turn the LP tank valve until it is completely open * Wait several seconds * Turn the front burner to the HI/Start position * Press the igniter until the burner is lit. * Turn remaining burners to High * Close the lid. * The grill should preheat to 500-550 degrees in 10-15 minutes As you point out, LP is not the same as acetylene. Those are the instructions on how to resolve a particular problem, not the directions for S.O.P. Do what you want. I emailed Weber and will post its answer here. I assume Weber will not offer up incorrect advice on something as critical as avoiding an explosion or out of control fire. What you posted, by the way, is what I did when I first fired up the grill. I assumed one opened the tank valve all the way. It makes sense to me, since the actual flow of gas to the grill is "regulated" by the burner controls. It's regulated by the regulator, the aluminum thingee between the burner adjustment knob and the hose: http://tinyurl.com/6xqn9n9 |
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#34
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@mypacks.net says... On 1/18/11 6:58 AM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 8:24 pm, wrote: On 1/17/11 7:16 PM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 6:39 pm, wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org... In articlecee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Reply: TOTALLY WRONG!!!! Crack the valve about 1/4 turn. Same with all flammable gas cylinders. O2, Argon etc. that are high pressure and inert have back seals. You want to be able to turn the tank off quickly if there is a leak or fire. Take any welding class and you will learn about gas safety. Propane is a lot safer than a lot of the flammable gas as it is a liquid under pressure and therefore is at a lot lower pressure in the tank. Acetylene is a higher pressure in the tank but is in solution in acetone (I think that is the liquid) as acetylene will self ignite explosively at a fairly low pressure. From the Weber website: Cart Based Models * Close the LP tank valve * Turn all burner control knobs to the OFF position * Open the grill lid * Turn the LP tank valve until it is completely open * Wait several seconds * Turn the front burner to the HI/Start position * Press the igniter until the burner is lit. * Turn remaining burners to High * Close the lid. * The grill should preheat to 500-550 degrees in 10-15 minutes As you point out, LP is not the same as acetylene. Those are the instructions on how to resolve a particular problem, not the directions for S.O.P. Do what you want. I emailed Weber and will post its answer here. I assume Weber will not offer up incorrect advice on something as critical as avoiding an explosion or out of control fire. What you posted, by the way, is what I did when I first fired up the grill. I assumed one opened the tank valve all the way. It makes sense to me, since the actual flow of gas to the grill is "regulated" by the burner controls. Trouble with that is, Weber doesn't manufacture the valves on the LPG tanks. |
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@mypacks.net says... On 1/17/11 6:39 PM, Califbill wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in message ... In article cee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, Harryk wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. Arrgh! I guess I'll have to check "the google," since we have conflicting information here. Maybe I'll just send an email to Weber. Again, the best to ask would be the company that actually makes the valve, and that's not Weber. |
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I suspect "cabin fever" is to blame
"John H" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:15:43 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 1/18/11 6:58 AM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 8:24 pm, wrote: On 1/17/11 7:16 PM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 6:39 pm, wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org... In articlecee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Reply: TOTALLY WRONG!!!! Crack the valve about 1/4 turn. Same with all flammable gas cylinders. O2, Argon etc. that are high pressure and inert have back seals. You want to be able to turn the tank off quickly if there is a leak or fire. Take any welding class and you will learn about gas safety. Propane is a lot safer than a lot of the flammable gas as it is a liquid under pressure and therefore is at a lot lower pressure in the tank. Acetylene is a higher pressure in the tank but is in solution in acetone (I think that is the liquid) as acetylene will self ignite explosively at a fairly low pressure. From the Weber website: Cart Based Models * Close the LP tank valve * Turn all burner control knobs to the OFF position * Open the grill lid * Turn the LP tank valve until it is completely open * Wait several seconds * Turn the front burner to the HI/Start position * Press the igniter until the burner is lit. * Turn remaining burners to High * Close the lid. * The grill should preheat to 500-550 degrees in 10-15 minutes As you point out, LP is not the same as acetylene. Those are the instructions on how to resolve a particular problem, not the directions for S.O.P. Do what you want. I emailed Weber and will post its answer here. I assume Weber will not offer up incorrect advice on something as critical as avoiding an explosion or out of control fire. What you posted, by the way, is what I did when I first fired up the grill. I assumed one opened the tank valve all the way. It makes sense to me, since the actual flow of gas to the grill is "regulated" by the burner controls. It's regulated by the regulator, the aluminum thingee between the burner adjustment knob and the hose: http://tinyurl.com/6xqn9n9 You're both right. -- Ziggy® |
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"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/18/11 6:58 AM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 8:24 pm, wrote: On 1/17/11 7:16 PM, Jack. wrote: On Jan 17, 6:39 pm, wrote: "I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org... In articlecee50221-872b-450d-a446-9c59166b96d2@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 1:26 pm, wrote: The manual is silent on how much you open the gas valve on the tank. I opened it all the way and then shut it off when the "test" was finished. You should always open the valve all the way on an LP tank. They are designed with a "back-seat", which seals the valve stem when openend. If you partially open it, gas can leak from the stem. Wow, I did not know that.. I never seat anything unless I need to. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Reply: TOTALLY WRONG!!!! Crack the valve about 1/4 turn. Same with all flammable gas cylinders. O2, Argon etc. that are high pressure and inert have back seals. You want to be able to turn the tank off quickly if there is a leak or fire. Take any welding class and you will learn about gas safety. Propane is a lot safer than a lot of the flammable gas as it is a liquid under pressure and therefore is at a lot lower pressure in the tank. Acetylene is a higher pressure in the tank but is in solution in acetone (I think that is the liquid) as acetylene will self ignite explosively at a fairly low pressure. From the Weber website: Cart Based Models * Close the LP tank valve * Turn all burner control knobs to the OFF position * Open the grill lid * Turn the LP tank valve until it is completely open * Wait several seconds * Turn the front burner to the HI/Start position * Press the igniter until the burner is lit. * Turn remaining burners to High * Close the lid. * The grill should preheat to 500-550 degrees in 10-15 minutes As you point out, LP is not the same as acetylene. Those are the instructions on how to resolve a particular problem, not the directions for S.O.P. Do what you want. I emailed Weber and will post its answer here. I assume Weber will not offer up incorrect advice on something as critical as avoiding an explosion or out of control fire. What you posted, by the way, is what I did when I first fired up the grill. I assumed one opened the tank valve all the way. It makes sense to me, since the actual flow of gas to the grill is "regulated" by the burner controls. That's what I always do...open the tank valve all the way and close it tightly after using and things have cooled down. |
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"Califbill" wrote in message m... "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 16, 1:14 pm, "MMC" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... I know the weather is bad for most of you and I know how much "cabin fever" can make me "on edge" too. So, all you flamers, GO OUTSIDE, even if it is ice fishing. Go skiing or snowshoeing, but get outside for a couple of hours. Then come back and we'll talk boats. ======= I've been working on my old Morgan 24. Got all the old rotted teak off and have sanded about 30% in preparation for painting. Bought a gallon of epoxy primer (man has that crap gotten expensive!) to go along with the 3 quart kits of Interlux Interthane plus I had on the shelf. Gelcoat is very bad shape and that's why I went with the epoxy primer. Got a couple new Beckson opening ports for the v-berth and will install after the paint dries. Decks and house will be Hatteras Off White and the hull a dark green (have picked out a paint yet for this, probably go with Brightside). Replacing the old teak with "Azek" fake lumber. About one 20th the cost of teak, easy to work with and no sanding and varnishing later. I've made the new hand rails and the look pretty good. All outside stuff and you're right, being stuck inside makes people mean as snakes. That's one reason I've been cutting firewood. running a chainsaw, weed- eater or push lawnmower is good therapy for me. Beats knocking somebody up the side of the head... Yeah but... there are half a dozen or so posters here who really need your head knocking services. It would be for their own good so it could qualify as a charitable service. Reply: Asshole! Ah, Kalif Swill awakens from another drunken stupor.............. |
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