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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:19:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:09:02 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. Yes and something like 30 or 40% of the corn crop is now going into ethanol production. This is basically a federal subsidy to the mid-western farm states. A lot of analysis has shown that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it delivers on the highway. Yet another example of big government mis-management and political meddling. And, as corn is a basic food of much of our beef, pork, and poultry, the production of ethanol hurts the major constituency of the Democratic Party - the poor. But, the best way to keep their support is to keep them dependant and uneducated. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:19:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:09:02 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. Yes and something like 30 or 40% of the corn crop is now going into ethanol production. This is basically a federal subsidy to the mid-western farm states. A lot of analysis has shown that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it delivers on the highway. Yet another example of big government mis-management and political meddling. And, as corn is a basic food of much of our beef, pork, and poultry, the production of ethanol hurts the major constituency of the Democratic Party - the poor. But, the best way to keep their support is to keep them dependant and uneducated. Biden says "Hang in there" you Po folk. The freebies we promised are a comin. -- Ziggy® |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
Harryk wrote:
On 2/1/11 12:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. You are. That's obvious to a blind man. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:09:43 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 3:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:17:11 -0500, wrote: Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? Fracking... that's not a great solution. There are all kinds of environmental problems. There was a great article in The Atlantic about coal. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...n-future/8307/ |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? Why not invest in something we can grow instead of ripping apart the earth's crust while spoiling the water table with toxins and dangerous gases? |
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#29
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/2/11 12:31 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:09:43 -0500, wrote: On 2/1/11 3:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:17:11 -0500, wrote: Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big, multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber alles." |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? There are some experimental CNG busses running around in a few places. It works fine as far as I know but distribution is a big problem. |
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