Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleloSdnaalavrfwefQnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

There's the speculation, then there's the reality. The line running
from
NYC to Boston to DC, especially here, is empty. It's a pain in the ass
for the state and does nothing for us but cost us money, and cause
traffic tie ups. The area effected here has a 500% higher population
ratio than the area in Florida, and still makes no money, period...

Your cherry picked reports don't mean **** if the numbers going in are
faked, look at the Obama care bill, double accounting, etc... Look at
the facts on the ground. Rail doesn't work here in the us. We like the
freedom of a car, period. Especially on vacation which is the crowd
they
are counting on.

I don't recall

Knew what you were gonna' say anyway.. When you can enter a discussion
without name calling, you may be relevant here again.. Until then, this
is all you get...


Do you really think those little farts that pass between your four
synapses matter to me?

Silly little boy.
Enter the lame, transparent diversion from WAFA.

HarryisPaul wrote:
In article555585aa-f4be-41aa-998a-
, says...

On Mar 11, 11:49 am, wrote:

I_am_Tosk wrote:

In articleloSdnaalavrfwefQnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...


There's the speculation, then there's the reality. The line running from
NYC to Boston to DC, especially here, is empty. It's a pain in the ass
for the state and does nothing for us but cost us money, and cause
traffic tie ups. The area effected here has a 500% higher population
ratio than the area in Florida, and still makes no money, period...


Your cherry picked reports don't mean **** if the numbers going in are
faked, look at the Obama care bill, double accounting, etc... Look at
the facts on the ground. Rail doesn't work here in the us. We like the
freedom of a car, period. Especially on vacation which is the crowd they
are counting on.


I don't recall


Knew what you were gonna' say anyway.. When you can enter a discussion
without name calling, you may be relevant here again.. Until then, this
is all you get...

Do you really think those little farts that pass between your four
synapses matter to me?

Silly little boy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

hey old man, you had that Hatteras out yet this spring?

snerk

He sold it for more than he paid for it, of course.

Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:

That's what I tried to tell Harry, but he just called me names

There is no subject on which I will consider or otherwise value your
opinion, little turd. Hell, man, I know more about unskilled labor
jobs in a warehouse than you do; I wasn't fired from the two warehouse
jobs I had as a teen-ager.
Working for daddy and his cronies doesn't count.

wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:52:36 -0800, wrote:


On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:44:10 -0500, wrote:


On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:17:00 -0500,
wrote:


I hate to say it because I do love the state, but
Florida seems to elect one idiot after another for governor.

"Three weeks after Gov. Rick Scott put the brakes on high-speed rail,
the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study
showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2
million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

The study showed the line would have had a $28.6 million surplus in its
10th year."

I'd guess Governor Scott nixed the project because he couldn't figure
out a way to personally benefit from it.

That was based on the wild assertion that 3 million people would ride
on it. That is what the Acela gets, with 50 times the number of people
within 50 miles of the stations.

Don't know much about the project, but it seems like a bad time to cut
jobs.

There are other places you can employ people, doing something that is
not creating a black hole that swallows up money forever.

I wrote this before but if Tampa and Orlando really just want a
commuter rail line to take the load off of I-4 (where most of these
riders will really come from), tell us that is what you want and let
it stand on it's own merits. Then you don't need to build the other 50
miles out across cow country where I-4 is not that busy.
They still have not told us who really needs to get between downtown
Tampa and the Orlando airport. (where this would run)

And left without a car. This was the right decision. WAFA doesn't like
the source.

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:44:10 -0500, wrote:


On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:17:00 -0500,
wrote:


I hate to say it because I do love the state, but
Florida seems to elect one idiot after another for governor.

"Three weeks after Gov. Rick Scott put the brakes on high-speed rail,
the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study
showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2
million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

The study showed the line would have had a $28.6 million surplus in its
10th year."

I'd guess Governor Scott nixed the project because he couldn't figure
out a way to personally benefit from it.

That was based on the wild assertion that 3 million people would ride
on it. That is what the Acela gets, with 50 times the number of people
within 50 miles of the stations.

3 million was a low-ball..... Acela doesn't serve Mickey World....

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/mar...-made-more-mo/

No, it goes to Boston, NYC, and DC... Three cities that all cater to
commuters and all three that bring in more tourists each than Micky
World does on a daily basis... Nobody goes into Tampa, to go to Tampa.
People go to Boston, NYC, and DC to see, Boston, NYC, and DC. It just
won't be worth the money and stolen property. The only ones to profit
will be labor unions, and GE... GEe, who'd a thunk? Pfffftttt

I own GE and GE has been good to me.

In article ,
says...

Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article16adndi6U4yQxOfQnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
I hate to say it because I do love the state, but
Florida seems to elect one idiot after another for governor.

"Three weeks after Gov. Rick Scott put the brakes on high-speed rail,
the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study
showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2
million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

The study showed the line would have had a $28.6 million surplus in its
10th year."

I'd guess Governor Scott nixed the project because he couldn't figure
out a way to personally benefit from it.

There's the speculation, then there's the reality. The line running from
NYC to Boston to DC, especially here, is empty. It's a pain in the ass
for the state and does nothing for us but cost us money, and cause
traffic tie ups. The area effected here has a 500% higher population
ratio than the area in Florida, and still makes no money, period...

Your cherry picked reports don't mean **** if the numbers going in are
faked, look at the Obama care bill, double accounting, etc... Look at
the facts on the ground. Rail doesn't work here in the us. We like the
freedom of a car, period. Especially on vacation which is the crowd they
are counting on.


I don't recall asking for or needing the opinion of an uneducated,
inexperienced, unemployed, unemployable, mental and physical midget,
and Faux News moron like you. You're free to comment, of course, on
any subject about which you know nothing.


So you are really saying you have no ****ing idea what the truth is so
your answer is to attack and divert.

Yes, that's what he said...

In article ,
says...

Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleloSdnaalavrfwefQnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

There's the speculation, then there's the reality. The line running
from
NYC to Boston to DC, especially here, is empty. It's a pain in the ass
for the state and does nothing for us but cost us money, and cause
traffic tie ups. The area effected here has a 500% higher population
ratio than the area in Florida, and still makes no money, period...

Your cherry picked reports don't mean **** if the numbers going in are
faked, look at the Obama care bill, double accounting, etc... Look at
the facts on the ground. Rail doesn't work here in the us. We like the
freedom of a car, period. Especially on vacation which is the crowd
they
are counting on.

I don't recall

Knew what you were gonna' say anyway.. When you can enter a discussion
without name calling, you may be relevant here again.. Until then, this
is all you get...


Do you really think those little farts that pass between your four
synapses matter to me?

Silly little boy.
Enter the lame, transparent diversion from WAFA.

You know, it's all he has but his lies..

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:24:40 -0500, wrote:


On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:57:12 -0500, Gene
wrote:


On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:44:10 -0500, wrote:


On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:17:00 -0500,
wrote:


I hate to say it because I do love the state, but
Florida seems to elect one idiot after another for governor.

"Three weeks after Gov. Rick Scott put the brakes on high-speed rail,
the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study
showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2
million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

The study showed the line would have had a $28.6 million surplus in its
10th year."

I'd guess Governor Scott nixed the project because he couldn't figure
out a way to personally benefit from it.

That was based on the wild assertion that 3 million people would ride
on it. That is what the Acela gets, with 50 times the number of people
within 50 miles of the stations.

3 million was a low-ball..... Acela doesn't serve Mickey World....

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/mar...-made-more-mo/

That is a bogus number. Are you really saying the meager populations
of Tampa and Orlando would match the ridership of a train between
Washington DC, Philadelphia, New York metro and Boston?

Who would fly to Tampa to take a train to Orlando when Orlando has a
nicer airport with lower landing fees (cheaper tickets)

That is particularly true when you figure out it only takes about an
hour to an hour and a half to drive it. You are not going to be able
to do much in either town without a car anyway.
If these cities want a commuter rail line, let them build it but don't
confuse that with a cross state train line that will run empty most of
the time.

Landing fees don't tell the whole story. It is *considerably* cheaper
to fly to Tampa rather than Orlando and hotels in Tampa are about half
the price of Orlando.

Yeah, but who the hell wants to fly to Tampa? There is nothing there.

Busch Gardens and prostitutes!

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:16:28 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:00:46 -0800, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:06:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:38:57 -0800, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:17:24 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:52:36 -0800, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:44:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:17:00 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

I hate to say it because I do love the state, but
Florida seems to elect one idiot after another for governor.

"Three weeks after Gov. Rick Scott put the brakes on high-speed rail,
the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study
showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2
million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

The study showed the line would have had a $28.6 million surplus in its
10th year."

I'd guess Governor Scott nixed the project because he couldn't figure
out a way to personally benefit from it.

That was based on the wild assertion that 3 million people would ride
on it. That is what the Acela gets, with 50 times the number of people
within 50 miles of the stations.

Don't know much about the project, but it seems like a bad time to cut
jobs.

There are other places you can employ people, doing something that is
not creating a black hole that swallows up money forever.

I wrote this before but if Tampa and Orlando really just want a
commuter rail line to take the load off of I-4 (where most of these
riders will really come from), tell us that is what you want and let
it stand on it's own merits. Then you don't need to build the other 50
miles out across cow country where I-4 is not that busy.
They still have not told us who really needs to get between downtown
Tampa and the Orlando airport. (where this would run)

In good economic times, I would agree that projects should "stand on
their own" financially and without gov't backing. But these are not
good times, and it seems to me that most anything that creates or
preserves jobs right now is better than continued unemployment and all
the attendant consequences.

If we are going to create jobs, why not create them here? Rail like
this will be using chinese rails and European trains. All that will
actually be done here is the digging.

There are a lot better ways to spend a couple billion dollars. Why not
spend that money fixing the roads we have? Alabama just gave some
family a million dollars because a chunk of loose pavement came up and
killed a woman. We have bridges all over the country ready to fall
down. These are things that will pay us back immediately.

Maybe there are, but I don't see your governor proposing any. Of
course, this would require fed help, which you're against. FYI, lots
of stim jobs are ongoing.

We still have a lot of infrastructure jobs going on but it is things
we need, not things we don't need. They are working on US41 right up
the street from my house. There is plenty of work going on out on
I-75. These are things people want here, not philosophical ideals that
people thousands of miles away want to impose on us.

So, it's ok to use stim money? Just checking..

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

I hate to say it because I do love the state, but
Florida seems to elect one idiot after another for governor.

"Three weeks after Gov. Rick Scott put the brakes on high-speed rail,
the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study
showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2
million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.

The study showed the line would have had a $28.6 million surplus in its
10th year."

I'd guess Governor Scott nixed the project because he couldn't figure
out a way to personally benefit from it.

The Florida Department of Transportation wants the project. Of course
they are going to say that it is going to be profitable.

Go out and get an independent review of the project to corroborate the
Florida Department of Transportation's numbers.