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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:02:41 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:43:19 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:40:55 -0700, wrote:

If paygo doesn't apply to the entitlements and the DoD budget it is
about as significant as cutting the NPR budget.

"Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and former Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) director Dan L. Crippen have pointed to PAYGO as
instrumental in establishing the fiscal discipline that gradually
decreased the deficit during the 1990s and ultimately led to large
surpluses."

That was when SS and Medicare were paying their own way. Both are in
deficit now.

They are not in deficit in any way that affects the upcoming budget.
It's nonsense, right-wing fear-mongering.

[email protected]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:35:03 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:05:39 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:06:43 -0400, wrote:

Clinton kept is in Iraq for 8 years looking for the same WMD you say
Bush lied about.

Yet, nobody died, and he was successful in getting Saddam to quit
their production.

As long as you don't count Iraqis. Sounds pretty racist to me.

Sounds like you're very interested in grasping at straws. We're
talking about US troops. Try and not change the subject.

The point is, when we go in, we won't leave.

The point is that you have no basis for that statement.

Where have we left?

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:55:52 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/03/2011 4:33 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:59:02 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...

They are now saying the main source, a British asset who never talked
to the US, was a fraud. It is interesting that Blair is not getting
more of the blame.
All of the things Powell was saying at the UN (mobile weapons labs and
WMD accidents that killed a number of workers) came from the Brits.

The main "source" for mobile weapons labs "intelligence" was Curveball.
Curveball was a German "asset."
An embezzler, possibly alcoholic, looking for a green card.
He was discredited totally by UN weapons inspectors before the war was
launched.

We can't let facts get in the way of blaming Bush for everything tho.

This is some of the most hilarious bull**** I've see in a long time.
Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Powell had nothing to do with it.
It's all Tony Blairs's fault!

Blair certainly has blood on his hands, but for this country,
Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Powell (in a lesser role) promoted this "intel" as
the excuse to go to war, with no actual corroborating evidence.

They have equal if not a greater amount of blood on their hands.

That is getting closer to the truth. You also had people in congress,
including plenty of Democrats beating the war drum

Democrats are stupid, they still think they can debt spend their way out
of a debt problem. Between the lot they don't have half a brain.

Which would make them twice as smart as you.

[email protected]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:37:14 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

The Brits were still parroting his stories and fed the information to
Powell.

A lot of this "independent confirmation" was the same false info making
the rounds through the intel agencies of different countries.

We can't let facts get in the way of blaming Bush for everything tho.

This is some of the most hilarious bull**** I've see in a long time.
Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Powell had nothing to do with it.
It's all Tony Blairs's fault!

I never said Bush et al were not at fault. That is the part you all
miss. I think the whole ****up in Iraq was unnecessary.
We should have left in 1991. Every president since then shares some of
the blame.

Got news for you. GW Bush invaded Iraq.
Nobody else.
You sure want to blame everybody else for the Iraq war.

Obama said he would stop both wars yet he clings to the same schedule
"the idiot" came up with. It makes you wonder who the idiot (or the
liar) really is.

So Obama "lied" about his 16 month campaign withdrawal plan.
He decided to listen to military advisers like Petraeus instead of the
likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al.

They still came up with the same plan

Afghanistan is pretty much all Obama when he expanded the war instead
of winding it down. The lie there is that we are still "going after
Bin Laden" and it is as egregious as the WMD lie, (that I
acknowledge).

Saying the same thing over and over doesn't give it any more
legitimacy.

You and Plume can't seem to accept that I was against BOTH wars.
You assume that if I think Obama is wrong that I must think Bush was
right. They were BOTH wrong, along with Clinton and the elder Bush.
When Saddam withdrew from Kuwait, our job was done there.

The Afg. war wasn't wrong and you know it. We had a legitimate reason
for going in. Just because Bush did so stupidly didn't make it wrong.

The idea that we have any business in any country's civil war keeps
biting us on the ass and we never learn.

Yeah, according to you human rights don't matter. That'll be a great
way of leading by example.

I_am_Tosk

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:06:25 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:33:47 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:59:02 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

They are now saying the main source, a British asset who never talked
to the US, was a fraud. It is interesting that Blair is not getting
more of the blame.
All of the things Powell was saying at the UN (mobile weapons labs and
WMD accidents that killed a number of workers) came from the Brits.

The main "source" for mobile weapons labs "intelligence" was Curveball.
Curveball was a German "asset."
An embezzler, possibly alcoholic, looking for a green card.
He was discredited totally by UN weapons inspectors before the war was
launched.

We can't let facts get in the way of blaming Bush for everything tho.

This is some of the most hilarious bull**** I've see in a long time.
Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Powell had nothing to do with it.
It's all Tony Blairs's fault!

Blair certainly has blood on his hands, but for this country,
Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Powell (in a lesser role) promoted this "intel" as
the excuse to go to war, with no actual corroborating evidence.

They have equal if not a greater amount of blood on their hands.

That is getting closer to the truth. You also had people in congress,
including plenty of Democrats beating the war drum

After having been fed lies from Bush/Cheney... sure.

That begs the question, how stupid were the Democrats?
Why would they listen to a guy they were calling an idiot?

They all heard the same intelligence briefings and they all had the
chance to challenge the information. You can't ignore the input of
Schumer and Lieberman. I have already told you many times why they
wanted Saddam gone, pretty much at any cost.
You act like this was Bush's decision, alone and congress did not go
along.

I could go get the vote if you like. I could also get the sponsors of
the resolution and what they wrote.

It would be a waste of time for you to do that. These ideologues will
never admit any of it anyway.

Canuck57[_9_]

On 21/03/2011 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:02:41 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:43:19 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:40:55 -0700, wrote:

If paygo doesn't apply to the entitlements and the DoD budget it is
about as significant as cutting the NPR budget.

"Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and former Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) director Dan L. Crippen have pointed to PAYGO as
instrumental in establishing the fiscal discipline that gradually
decreased the deficit during the 1990s and ultimately led to large
surpluses."

That was when SS and Medicare were paying their own way. Both are in
deficit now.

They are not in deficit in any way that affects the upcoming budget.
It's nonsense, right-wing fear-mongering.

Ya, but look at the debtor that owes money to SS. Seriously, SS has
been raided as a cheap money source by the government. Below market
rate returns for decauses, a slight of government hand in skimming it.

Now the government does not want to have to pay back the SS debt it
owes. And as the US government depeciates the currency, it makes SS
shortfalls worse.

Canuck57[_9_]

On 21/03/2011 10:11 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:47:58 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:19:24 -0400, wrote:

You and Plume can't seem to accept that I was against BOTH wars.
You assume that if I think Obama is wrong that I must think Bush was
right. They were BOTH wrong, along with Clinton and the elder Bush.
When Saddam withdrew from Kuwait, our job was done there.

The Afg. war wasn't wrong and you know it. We had a legitimate reason
for going in. Just because Bush did so stupidly didn't make it wrong.

Wait ... are you saying Bush was right about something? I disagree but
it is interesting.
Afghanistan was always stupid. Sending in a few Deltas to try to
assassinate OBL was a good idea but when we missed him we should have
backed off and waited for him to pop up again.
Invading Afghanistan in force was simply stupid.

The idea that we have any business in any country's civil war keeps
biting us on the ass and we never learn.

Yeah, according to you human rights don't matter. That'll be a great
way of leading by example.

Why do we have the right to decide what "human rights" mean in a
foreign country? In real life we are using human rights to mask an
economic or political mission anyway.

Right now we are backing the "rebels" in Libya but we do not have a
clue who they really are. It is significant that this region is an
alleged Al Queda strong hold. We may end up replacing a guy that we
had "contained" to use your words, with a gang that we have no
influence over at all.

You have still not given me an example of a success story in all of
our post WWII military adventures. The best that you can point at is a
stalemate in the Bulkans where we have 124,000 blue helmets standing
between feuding factions.
BTW when I went looking for that number I was overwhelmed by reports
of the UN "peacekeepers" engaged in human trafficking and rape.
Put this on your google bar

"Bosnia peace keepers 2010"

You can see what wonderful people the UN is putting in there to help
out the population.

UN has had that problem in Africa too. UN is turning out to be a
mecenary army for politicians to bypass their own war conventions and
pull stuff that would be illegal in their own countries. Even used to
supply money and arms to insurgents to undermine the local government.

I_am_Tosk

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:43:50 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:02:41 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:43:19 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:40:55 -0700, wrote:

If paygo doesn't apply to the entitlements and the DoD budget it is
about as significant as cutting the NPR budget.

"Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and former Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) director Dan L. Crippen have pointed to PAYGO as
instrumental in establishing the fiscal discipline that gradually
decreased the deficit during the 1990s and ultimately led to large
surpluses."

That was when SS and Medicare were paying their own way. Both are in
deficit now.

They are not in deficit in any way that affects the upcoming budget.
It's nonsense, right-wing fear-mongering.

You are not that stupid. How can you possibly say a program that
spends moire than it takes in is not in deficit?

Medicare has been upside down for several years and SS went upside
down 2 years ago.

She can say that because she knows it will keep you talking to her

snerk

BAR[_2_]

In article ,
says...
Completely untrue. He's implemented a complete withdrawal of combat
troops as per the agreement with the Iraqi gov't. The remaining forces
are winding down. It's clear who the idiot was... Bush. It's clear who
told him what to do.. Cheney, the other war criminal.

"Combat troops" is a cute euphemism. It is like when you said we
didn't have any combat troops in Vietnam after the cease fire, yet
another 362 GIs were killed in combat.
Since the biggest cause of death in both of the current wars is from
IEDs, not "combat" the term is meaningless.

What is the difference between a combat brigade and an assistance
brigade? Just the name. The only thing that changed in Iraq is that
change then names of our combat brigades to assistance brigades.

[email protected]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:48:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:43:50 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:02:41 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:43:19 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:40:55 -0700, wrote:

If paygo doesn't apply to the entitlements and the DoD budget it is
about as significant as cutting the NPR budget.

"Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and former Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) director Dan L. Crippen have pointed to PAYGO as
instrumental in establishing the fiscal discipline that gradually
decreased the deficit during the 1990s and ultimately led to large
surpluses."

That was when SS and Medicare were paying their own way. Both are in
deficit now.

They are not in deficit in any way that affects the upcoming budget.
It's nonsense, right-wing fear-mongering.

You are not that stupid. How can you possibly say a program that
spends moire than it takes in is not in deficit?

Medicare has been upside down for several years and SS went upside
down 2 years ago.

And, it is not contributing one penny to the current deficit problem.
It "may" at some point if it isn't fixed.

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