On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:19:08 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:14:47 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality is it
became politically convenient to kill Osama.

--
I think Obama went as quickly as he could. They did not want to ****
this up so they built a mock up of the compound and trained for months
to get it right.,

I really think the populace will have forgotten about this by 3q12
anyway. There will be dozens of things that went through the news
cycle by then. The election is still going to come down to mundane
things like gas prices, unemployment and I bet inflation will have
showed it's ugly head by then. Obama's biggest fear is going to be the
recurrence of the terms "malaise" and "stagflation".

Really? His biggest fear? There's no indication of either of those
things.

On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:45:05 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:23:22 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:29:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:23:56 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several
times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama.

I really think this was just to do what I have been saying we should
be doing all along, lull OBL into a bit of complacency so we can catch
up to him,

Remember my squirrel hunting analogy. When you want to hunt squirrels
you sit quietly by a tree and ignore them until they get comfortable
enough to come out and run around. If you are looking for them you
will seldom see them

Note we are talking about wild squirrels, not the ones in your bird
feeder. Even those would get pretty hard to find if you started
shooting at them.

Wow... you just can't help yourself in defending Bush can you. He
screwed up this economy, he invaded a country that didn't attack us
and lied about it to the American people, he gutted social programs
here, and he ran our credibility into the ground. But all that's ok
with you.

Is there anything you don't know about or have predicted?

You can go back and read what I predicted.


No thanks. You're no oracle and anyone with half a brain can use
enough wiggle language to claim an accurate prediction.

On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:40:34 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:23:56 -0400,
wrote:

If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several
times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama.

I really think this was just to do what I have been saying we should
be doing all along, lull OBL into a bit of complacency so we can catch
up to him,

Remember my squirrel hunting analogy. When you want to hunt squirrels
you sit quietly by a tree and ignore them until they get comfortable
enough to come out and run around. If you are looking for them you
will seldom see them

Note we are talking about wild squirrels, not the ones in your bird
feeder. Even those would get pretty hard to find if you started
shooting at them.


Osama apparently moved to his palatial estate in 2005 or 2006, during
the Bush Admin, when it became apparent the Bush Admin was not looking
for him.

Yeah, but Bush was going to "smoke him out." Maybe he was talking
about Cheney?

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.

Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

There was no such repeal of any policy. We target people all the time.
I believe it's mostly appropriate, given what they've done or are
doing.

So, you're claiming to know all the details of the raid, including the
motion by motion action? Sounds to me like you really don't give Obama
an "A". Rather, you're just looking for a way to put him down.

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.

Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of
disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their
'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better?

If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a
hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy.

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:13:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 10:55:14 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:19:08 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:14:47 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality is it
became politically convenient to kill Osama.

--
I think Obama went as quickly as he could. They did not want to ****
this up so they built a mock up of the compound and trained for months
to get it right.,

I really think the populace will have forgotten about this by 3q12
anyway. There will be dozens of things that went through the news
cycle by then. The election is still going to come down to mundane
things like gas prices, unemployment and I bet inflation will have
showed it's ugly head by then. Obama's biggest fear is going to be the
recurrence of the terms "malaise" and "stagflation".

Really? His biggest fear? There's no indication of either of those
things.

There is no indication of inflation???
Do you go to the grocery store or a gas station? Have you paid any
"fuel surcharges" lately? The falling dollar is going to make that a
lot worse since we import most of our hard goods these days.
As for malaise, have you read any of Bob's posts. That is one
depressed man.

Maybe he read the Daily Beast article about the worst 10 college
degrees you can seek, based on what you can expect to earn.
"Chemistry" is #9.
It was in Newsweek this week (the one with the royals on the cover)

Aside from gas prices, nothing much is happening, and even those are
likely temporary. Of course, for you, the sky is continually falling.
I hope you haven't made any plans for after May 21st.

Now you're claiming that because one person complains, therefore,
there is a general malaise. Whatever.

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:03:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:40:34 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:23:56 -0400,
wrote:

If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several
times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama.

I really think this was just to do what I have been saying we should
be doing all along, lull OBL into a bit of complacency so we can catch
up to him,

Remember my squirrel hunting analogy. When you want to hunt squirrels
you sit quietly by a tree and ignore them until they get comfortable
enough to come out and run around. If you are looking for them you
will seldom see them

Note we are talking about wild squirrels, not the ones in your bird
feeder. Even those would get pretty hard to find if you started
shooting at them.


Osama apparently moved to his palatial estate in 2005 or 2006, during
the Bush Admin, when it became apparent the Bush Admin was not looking
for him.

... where we found him. That was my point. If he was still running
around in the mountains or slipped off into Somalia or Yemen we may
never have found him. Our best chance was if he settled down somewhere
and let his guard down. Personally I think this would have worked out
faster if we had not invaded Afghanistan. He may have become less
guarded and made the critical mistake sooner.

Wow... so basically you're claiming Bush's incompetence was really
just brilliance hiding. Talk about delusional!

wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg
Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.
Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.


I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama
was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of
what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter.

That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer
dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening
fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop."

Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A
trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals
and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals
otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists.

John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg
Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.
Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.

I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of
disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their
'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better?

If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a
hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy.

Ahh, but you don't believe in the American justice system.

On 04/05/2011 1:25 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.

Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

Depends on the reasons for such interferences. Can too easily get out
of control.

Take Kadafi. I know, he has done stuff in the past, but recently he has
been a good boy. No one questions why wait so long? Why no indictments
or proper warrants?

While Osama is obvious, Kadafi is somewhat different. The REAL reasons
for the assassination attempts a

- control of the Central Bank of Libya, solvent bank too not a IMF
bank cartel subservient bank either.

- oil, no explanation needed.

- might have nationalised some US-Euro interests.

- was instrumental player in a United West African State. (colonial
control wouldn't like this any more than the formation of the 13 states
in America and for the same reasons).

- he was a socialist, a lot of revenue was spread around.

Nope, big money and big power is why NATO-US-UN-France regime wants him.
No act of war either...no congressional approval if you use the
UN-NATO thing so in fact bypasses the meaning of US law.

And killing children for this corruption? If it had been an attack on
the US, go for it. But Kadafi is no threat to the US popper.

Nope, Obama wanting Kadafi assassinated is for political revenge and
control and not democratic or sovereign reasons.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Who knows, maybe he is alive, pumped up with drugs and talking.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

Good enough for me. I would not want the Seal to take any risks to self
or in losing the target.

Haven't seen plumer posts, filters working good.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow
our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed?