On Sun, 15 May 2011 01:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:40:18 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 21:32:43 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 17:14:09 -0400, wrote:



If you are a big business, Wall Street, insurance company, medical
conglomerate, neocon war mongering kind of republican you have to
love Obama. So far he is GW Bush with a tan. (the 5th Bush Brother)

let's see...

obama proposed a single payer system that would put the insurance
companies out of business

Yet he brags about a system that did little but bring another 40
million customers to the same insurance companies that you hate at the
point of a government gun

uh wrong

1. he gives a subsidy to low income earners to buy insurance
2. he removes the policy of excluding pre existing conditions

if he'd had his way our healthcare system would be more efficient. but
folks like you objected because it didnt make the rich richer


Uh what part of what I said was wrong. Where did those 40 million
have to go? To the same insurance companies who still really have no
limits to what they charge. All we did was put the government in the
position of having to borrow money to pay for it.

we were already borrowing the money. or they were. someone was paying.
this delusion on the part of the right that healthcare is free is
another of your urban myths

This is a "mandate", in other words the government makes you go to
those insurance companies.

we already have mandates. i have no kids. but i have to pay higher
taxes than those who do. that's a mandate.

this is another urban myth of the right. you guys build your entire
ideology on myths



. Exactly ZERO republicans voted for that
bill or had anything to do with writing it. It was democrats in the
senate that killed single payer.

lotsa right wing democrats

Then look inside your party. That is my point

the fact that the right has turned america into a plutocracy where
only the rich have a voice is something that is finally dawning even
on the myth loving right wing




obama proposed strong regulations on wall street

Yet the democratic senate came up with a fin reg bill that left most
of the abuses like too big to fail in place. Maybe it was because they
took more money from Wall Street than the republicans did.

actually the dems didnt. in the last election, 80% of wall street
money went to the GOP

Cite that.
I see this
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F07

sorry. part of your myth making is that you dont pay attention to the
news

http://gothamist.com/2010/02/08/wall...ates_to_re.php
http://mydd.com/2010/2/24/wall-streee




you gotta keep up with the news if you're gonna argue facts

oh. i forgot. you're right wing you dont do facts

You seem to be the one who pulls numbers out of your ass.

go ahead. read the news, right winger. then whimper away to lick your
wounds

if you were an adult and had the facts at your fingertips you'd hunt
right wingers with dogs and pitchforks

the fact is the right thinks everything is OK with america because the
wealthy are getting richer and power is concentrating in the hands of
a few

progressives look at the EVIDENCE and see LACK of opportunity in a
system increasing dominated by a small class of people and want to
RESTORE american opportunity.

that's why the right hates teh middle class, unions and progressives.
WE want to RESTORE american greatness.

YOU are the agents of the status quo.



and the GOP fought the regulations against wall street. in fact the
GOP fought ANY regulations.

The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate, the house and the White
House. Why didn't they do something?
Oh it was YOUR right wing democrats.

well no they didnt. in fact the GOP racked up MORE filibusters and
threats than in any time in our nation's history.

again your belief in myth is what makes you right wing

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02...f-filibusters/




obama is getting us out of iraq

On the Bush schedule ... if he can actually pull it off. I will
believe it when I see it.

HAHAHA uh bush didnt HAVE a schedule. guess you just pulled THAT one
out of your....ahem...

Maybe you were in a cave but there was a schedule, the same one we are
currently on..

uh no. sorry. more mythology. we will leave. obama said, when it's
PRUDENT to do so

and iraq? a TRILLION spent there by the liar bush. 4400 US troops

between bush's WARS and his SPENDING and his TAX CUTS for the RICH HE
bankrupted us, NOT the black guy

sorry, right winger. the facts destroy your belief in MYTH


He doubled down in Afghanistan

gee. wonder why that was

now let's see...how many islamists terrorirsts in iraq?

oh. zero

Having nothing to do with the double down in Afghanistan. There were
less than 150 terrorist suspects in Afghanistan and we sent 150,000
guys in after them.

HAHAHAHA this guy thinks that ONLY al qaida are terrorists!!

the FACT is the HAQQANI NETWORK of the PAKISTAN TALIBAN maintains
CLOSE relationships with the AFGHAN taliban AND with AL QAIDA

****, you dont even know who the terrorists are!

there are LOTS of taliban groups. you're just uneducated. no wonder
you're right wing!


bush never got close

and you're just not bright enough to understand why we're fighting the
taliban

you're just not very bright at all


Insults do not enhance the credibility of your argument.

The fact is there are more Taliban now than there were in 2002 but the
vast majority of them have no interest in attacking the US, they just
want us out of their country, just like they wanted the Soviets out.
We somehow feel the need and the right to impose our culture on them
and they don't like it.

so the right hates obama so much they believe our ENEMIES

I WAS IN NY after 9/11 with the USCG. i saw what they did. i saw what
the TALIBAN and their allies, al qaida did

mayby you right wingers, with your fundamentalist devotion to
increasing the power of the rich will ally yourselves with our enemies

but i never, never, will.

either the taliban agree NEVER to ally with al qaida and other enemies
again, or we destroy them

YOU want to appease them

tell it to czechoslovakia

On Sun, 15 May 2011 01:37:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wf3h wrote:

Yet the democratic senate came up with a fin reg bill that left most
of the abuses like too big to fail in place. Maybe it was because they
took more money from Wall Street than the republicans did.

actually the dems didnt. in the last election, 80% of wall street
money went to the GOP


BTW 2008 was even more of a slam dunk for the democrats. I suppose
that is why the bailout went the way it did

http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpictur...Rep&Cycle=2008


guess you dont know we had an election in 2010. see my words up there?
the 'last election'??

unlike you, i go with evidence. the FACT is the dems benefitted from
wall street money UNTIL they started talking reform. THEN the money
started to flow to the GOP

me? i go with EVIDENCE

you? you're right wing. you go with MYTH

On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:22:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 06:46:55 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 01:29:52 -0400, wrote:


obama proposed a single payer system that would put the insurance
companies out of business

Yet he brags about a system that did little but bring another 40
million customers to the same insurance companies that you hate at the
point of a government gun

uh wrong

1. he gives a subsidy to low income earners to buy insurance
2. he removes the policy of excluding pre existing conditions

if he'd had his way our healthcare system would be more efficient. but
folks like you objected because it didnt make the rich richer


Uh what part of what I said was wrong. Where did those 40 million
have to go? To the same insurance companies who still really have no
limits to what they charge. All we did was put the government in the
position of having to borrow money to pay for it.

we were already borrowing the money. or they were. someone was paying.
this delusion on the part of the right that healthcare is free is
another of your urban myths

Nobody ever said it was free, in fact the common phrase is that health
care gets more expensive when people think it is free.
... and you seem to be changing your tune a bit aren't you?
I guess you agree that this health care bill was great for insurance
companies and that was what I said.

what i said was that obama had no choice. the right, again, gamed the
system to protect their interests to ensure that we chose the most
expensive way to get healthcare for everyone

which is what I said.


This is a "mandate", in other words the government makes you go to
those insurance companies.

we already have mandates. i have no kids. but i have to pay higher
taxes than those who do. that's a mandate.

this is another urban myth of the right. you guys build your entire
ideology on myths

Again you are diverting the subject. This is the first time they have
made people buy health insurance.

how do they 'make' them?

oh. they dont. they simply pay a tax if they dont buy insurance

just like i pay an additional tax if i dont have kids.

so you're wrong.



. Exactly ZERO republicans voted for that
bill or had anything to do with writing it. It was democrats in the
senate that killed single payer.

lotsa right wing democrats

Then look inside your party. That is my point

the fact that the right has turned america into a plutocracy where
only the rich have a voice is something that is finally dawning even
on the myth loving right wing

Agreeing with my original point again. The democrats are part of that
plutocracy now. Maybe it is dawning on you.

HAHAHAHA gee whiz where did i EVER say the dems were innocent? a
PLUTOCRACY, by DEFINITION, doesnt depend on parties.

not familiar with the term, are you?

it's the RIGHT that's dong so much to kill the US. regardless of
party.

and there's little choice. when the system is rigged, it really doesnt
matter what party is in power

the dems have MORE of an orientation for the middle class but their
effects are mitigated by right wing myths like those you believe

and which i have demonstrated are false.

Cite that.
I see this
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F07

sorry. part of your myth making is that you dont pay attention to the
news

http://gothamist.com/2010/02/08/wall...ates_to_re.php
http://mydd.com/2010/2/24/wall-streee


I do not see that 80% you cited but I agree it is not as much in 2011
as it was in 2008 but in 2008 the democrats were the ones getting
65-70%

MOVING THE GOALPOSTS

what i said was that

wall street decided to shift its money when the DEMS pushed regulation

it doesnt matter HOW much was given. that's really irrelevant

the FACT is the GOP got the money from wall street because wall street
realized the right wing would help them continue destroying the US.



you gotta keep up with the news if you're gonna argue facts

oh. i forgot. you're right wing you dont do facts

You seem to be the one who pulls numbers out of your ass.

go ahead. read the news, right winger. then whimper away to lick your
wounds

I posted the fact from FEC . You cited an opinion piece.

AHAHAHAH you SELECTIVELY posted 'facts' that merely PROVE what i
previously said

WALL STREET CHANGED ITS BANKROLLING FROM THE DEMS TO THE GOP

thanks. i already KNEW that


if you were an adult and had the facts at your fingertips you'd hunt
right wingers with dogs and pitchforks


the fact is the right thinks everything is OK with america because the
wealthy are getting richer and power is concentrating in the hands of
a few

progressives look at the EVIDENCE and see LACK of opportunity in a
system increasing dominated by a small class of people and want to
RESTORE american opportunity.

that's why the right hates teh middle class, unions and progressives.
WE want to RESTORE american greatness.

YOU are the agents of the status quo.


I agree you voted for a guy who promised change but he didn't change
much did he?

We are still in both wars, plus a new one

scaling down the one in iraq and getting ready to scale down in
afghanistan

that's a change

The pentagon is still spending a third of our budget.

and obama NEVER mentioned cutting the pentagon budget. in fact, obama
and gates have identified BILLIONS in cuts

that's a change

The financial industry is as strong as ever

as i pointed out the RIGHT WING like YOU has prevented almost ANY
change...and when change DOES come...like when the dems REGULATED wall
street

your pals on wall street reacted by shifting their spending patterns
as you PROVED ME RIGHT.

thanks. nice to see you proved me right and you wrong. as usual.

The tax cuts were extended

the tax cuts were ORIGINALLY supposed to be cut ONLY on those making
less than 250K. but the RIGHT WING, with the MYTH of supply side
economics (ANOTHER RIGHT WING MYTH)

FORCED tax cuts to remain for the RICH even though their income has
already skyrocketed

nice of you to IGNORE what the right wing is doing

The health provider industry is unchanged

we got healthcare for everyone

but you IGNORE THAT CHANGE

The health insurance still has a monopoly with 40 million new
customers

gee. obama's single payer system? oh. the RIGHT WING killed it.

but we GOT health insurance

The rich are still getting richer

we sure do. why?

bec ause RIGHT WING MYTHS like SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS and 'social
mobility...even though BOTH ARE WRONG....are STILL believed by people
like YOU.


There are still as many people as there were unemployed or
underemployed and real wages are still flat.

gee. because MORE people are re-entering the work force. guess you
missed that 250K jobs were created last month

and that NO jobs were created under bush. ALL the job increases under
bush were LOST durng the depression.



and the GOP fought the regulations against wall street. in fact the
GOP fought ANY regulations.

The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate, the house and the White
House. Why didn't they do something?
Oh it was YOUR right wing democrats.

well no they didnt. in fact the GOP racked up MORE filibusters and
threats than in any time in our nation's history.

again your belief in myth is what makes you right wing

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02...f-filibusters/

That just shows how impotent the democrats are. 41 republicans beat 59
democrats every time working under the same rules.

by having a RECORD number of filibusters

a RECORD number. MORE GOALPOST MOVING.

this is a recipe for stalemate. you think the DEMS aren't going to do
this now??

what is SHOWS, unlike what the right myths say, is that we have
created an UNGOVERNABLE system that BENEFITS THE RICH

as even YOU are finally starting to see.


You still ignore the 2 years when the GOP did not have the votes to
filibuster. What happened then?

tell you what. how many right wing dems are there?

oh. lots.

even some dems believe right wing mythology. you're not immune. no
reason there arent stupid democrats. we have LOTS here in PA.

and iraq? a TRILLION spent there by the liar bush. 4400 US troops

between bush's WARS and his SPENDING and his TAX CUTS for the RICH HE
bankrupted us, NOT the black guy

sorry, right winger. the facts destroy your belief in MYTH


You didn't cite any facts, only a baseless tirade.

really?

bush didnt start the iraq war?

bush didnt have 2 tax cuts, in 2001 and 2003?

uh...those look like facts to me. guess you dont read much

The fact is Obama did not change the timetable and we still have
50,000 troops in Iraq and Gates says they are probably going to slip
that schedule
tohttp://morallowground.com/2011/04/08/gates-u-s-combat-troops-could-stay-in-iraq-beyond-2011/
get them out.


and under bush? oh. 150,000

gee. i guess if you're right wing

150,000 is the same as 50,000


the FACT is the HAQQANI NETWORK of the PAKISTAN TALIBAN maintains
CLOSE relationships with the AFGHAN taliban AND with AL QAIDA

****, you dont even know who the terrorists are!

there are LOTS of taliban groups. you're just uneducated. no wonder
you're right wing!

... and most of those groups are NOT in Afghanistan.

HAAHAHAHAHA

not in afghanistan?

uh...why? could the presence of US troops be a deterrent?

golly. go figure. and where is the taliban? ummmm...in pakistan.

so you want us to go to war with pakistan

if our troops can make it through the nukes.


Think Somalia,
Yemen and Eastern Libya. Egypt may end up being the economic center of
the terrorists since they are nuzzling up to Iran as we speak.

HAHAHAHAA

there are NO taliban in somalia. the taliban are PASHTUNS...about 40%
of afghanistan is pashtun.

somalia has al shabab...a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT group

not too familiar with current affairs, i see


If you understand terrorism at all you will understand Afghanistan is
a very small part of the problem but it is where we are putting most
of our people.

and yet afghanistan is where the attack on the WTC was launched from

go figure


We are nation building, no more, no less. That is also what we are
doing in Iraq and have been since "mission accomplished".

oh. so BUSH's policy failed

and are we 'nation building' or simply training a replacement for our
troops witha corrupt govt then getting out?

oh. you dont know that


Insults do not enhance the credibility of your argument.

The fact is there are more Taliban now than there were in 2002 but the
vast majority of them have no interest in attacking the US, they just
want us out of their country, just like they wanted the Soviets out.
We somehow feel the need and the right to impose our culture on them
and they don't like it.

so the right hates obama so much they believe our ENEMIES

I WAS IN NY after 9/11 with the USCG. i saw what they did. i saw what
the TALIBAN and their allies, al qaida did

mayby you right wingers, with your fundamentalist devotion to
increasing the power of the rich will ally yourselves with our enemies

but i never, never, will.

either the taliban agree NEVER to ally with al qaida and other enemies
again, or we destroy them

YOU want to appease them

tell it to czechoslovakia


We will "win" in Afghanistan the same way we did in Vietnam.

HAHAHAHA

really? gee. the taliban controls about 3% of afghan territory now.
it may be a stalemate but that's BETTER than vietnam

you simply cant think for yourself

you believe in 'supply side economic's...which failed

you believe that NOTHING has changed in healthcare when we just got it
for 40 MILLION americans...

you dont know that the most recent election saw wall street money go
to the dems so try to shift the goalposts to PREVIOUS elections

you dont know that this happened because the DEMS pushed regulation
while the GOP continues its failed policy of fundamentalist
deregulation

you dont know we have reduced our footprint in iraq and it's OUR
decision whether to stay

you dont know we're already talking about withdrwwing 5000 troops from
afghanistan

yep. you're right wing alright

On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 06:48:25 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 01:37:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wf3h wrote:


unlike you, i go with evidence. the FACT is the dems benefitted from
wall street money UNTIL they started talking reform. THEN the money
started to flow to the GOP

me? i go with EVIDENCE

I gave you the numbers for 2101 and your assertion that the GOP got
80% was bull****. It was about even.


well you're right wing so dont know the facts...as usual

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38658570/Wall...nations_to_GOP

CRP found that in March of 2009, people and political action committees associated with the securities and investment industry sent 70 percent of their federal-level contributions
to Democratic candidates, party committees and leadership PACs. But by June of 2010, that dynamic had flipped
. CRP reported their research shows that Republicans received 68 percent of all federal-level contributions from Wall Street.

right wingers generally dont know math. but when the donations go from
SEVENTY PERCENT TO THE DEMS

to

SEVENTY PERCENT TO THE GOP

that's a shift.

gee...you're wrong

as usual

On Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:51 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 11:09:34 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 06:48:25 -0400, wf3h wrote:

I gave you the numbers for 2101 and your assertion that the GOP got
80% was bull****. It was about even.



SEVENTY PERCENT TO THE GOP

that's a shift.

gee...you're wrong

as usual

It wasn't "80%" was it?
It wasn't even 70%, it was 68

but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

HAHAHAH

FIRST you said MOST money went to the DEMS

THEN you backpedaled and said it was about EVEN

and NOW you're all upset over 70 vs 80??

ROFLMAO!!!


They switched their money from the dems because the dems were solidly
in the bag for them It was the gop fighting the bailouts.

the gop fighting the bailouts???

HENRY PAULSON AUTHORED THEM!!

paulson was BUSH'S TREASURY SECRETARY

and the bailouts were NECESSARY because the RIGHT ensured that we
SOCIALIZED the RISK while PRIVATIZING reward in order to keep this
bull**** MYTH of the 'american dream' alive

you simply can't understand it, can you? it blows your head off your
shoulders to think YOU have screwed america


I hear you lefties bitching about money going to the top and CEO pay
and bonuses but the financial industry has most of the millionaires
and they made huge bonuses on the federal bailout money we gave them.
Right now it is the right fighting the bailouts.

lefties??

i believe in CAPITALISM. a WELL REGULATED FREE MARKET

YOU RIGHT WINGERS believe in PLUTOCRACY

and YES they made BILLIONS. because when OBAMA said this was IMMORAL
the RIGHT said it was SOCIALISM to even TALK about CEO salaries JUST
like the RIGHT was OFFENDED when obama slammed BP. the RIGHT DEFENDED
OIL COMPANIES.


As for Obama, he is far more vulnerable from the left than he is from
the right.That is why the right has to come

WRONG. there is NO LEFT in america.

up with such stupid stuff
to oppose him like the birther bull****.
A guy like Bernie Sanders could seriously hurt him in a primary if he
tried. The dems are just happy to keep their name on the white house,
even if the guy there is a big business republican in democrat
clothing.

HAHAHAHA bernie sanders...you should have been a stand up comic!

you right wingers turned this country over to wall street THEN got
offended when they BANKRUPTED THE COUNTRY

In article ,
says...


You still ignore the 2 years when the GOP did not have the votes to
filibuster. What happened then?


Fact is the Dems had 60 Senate votes for 1 year.
But you're off only 100% there.
NOTHING can happen in this broken government without
a majority in the House and 60 in the Senate.
Because it's a broken, non-functional government.
Verging on real banana-Republic broken.
You and Bob whining about Dems and Reps is just the microcosm.
NOTHING will get better until it gets much worse.
And it will.
You can take that to the bank.

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.

the GOP is so far right that ronald reagan would be unelectable today.

*******************

I guess it's every man for themselves... and those lucky enough to be the
winners like it like that.
What I find hard to understand is why people at the bottom of the barrel
would still go out and support that system. You'd think self interest would
kick in for them just as it does for the ruling elite.

True North wrote:


"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:29:20 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, declared his (third) candidacy for
president Friday on ‘Good Morning America.’ The ‘intellectual
grandfather’ of the tea party movement is a constitutional purist who’s
as popular among his fervent followers as he is disliked by the GOP
establishment. He’s a dark horse pushing for an upset victory.
- - -

Ah, yes...Crazy Ron...about as much chance of winning the presidency as,
say, Newt, the Donald, the Sara, the Michele, the Mitt, et cetera.

the GOP is so far right that ronald reagan would be unelectable today.

*******************

I guess it's every man for themselves... and those lucky enough to be
the winners like it like that.
What I find hard to understand is why people at the bottom of the barrel
would still go out and support that system. You'd think self interest
would kick in for them just as it does for the ruling elite.


I'm hoping for heads on pikes...if I were in charge, I'd start with the
boys on wall street, then the bankers, then the health insurance
companies, then the holier than thou religious fanatics.

wrote:


As for Obama, he is far more vulnerable from the left than he is from
the right.That is why the right has to come up with such stupid stuff
to oppose him like the birther bull****.
A guy like Bernie Sanders could seriously hurt him in a primary if he
tried. The dems are just happy to keep their name on the white house,
even if the guy there is a big business republican in democrat
clothing.


Bernie Sanders isn't going to challenge Obama for the nomination. Period.

The "right" comes up with the birther **** because the base of the GOP
is composed of racist leftovers from the Southern Strategy days. The
righties down at the bottom of the intellectual scale are easy to
manipulate by the Trumps, the Palins, et cetera. Look at who the
birthers *here* have been...the intellectual ciphers who couldn't get
into an open admissions community college.

On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:56:33 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


You still ignore the 2 years when the GOP did not have the votes to
filibuster. What happened then?


Fact is the Dems had 60 Senate votes for 1 year.
But you're off only 100% there.
NOTHING can happen in this broken government without
a majority in the House and 60 in the Senate.
Because it's a broken, non-functional government.
Verging on real banana-Republic broken.
You and Bob whining about Dems and Reps is just the microcosm.
NOTHING will get better until it gets much worse.
And it will.
You can take that to the bank.


that's exactly my point. we have a broken system. which is to the
benefit of the powerful

and that aint the middle class.