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Gould 0738 November 11th 03 02:15 AM

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You must not have sailed San Francisco bay. I have heard sailors laugh
about going in front of a freighter and saying they had the right of way.
Amazing Darwin does not get more of them.


You must have VTS on SF Bay.

The sailors must give way to any pwer vessel following the VTS. Any sailor
thinking otherwise is wrong, according to the rules.

Calif Bill November 11th 03 03:47 AM

A great summer of crusing or Let's Ban Power Boats!
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You must not have sailed San Francisco bay. I have heard sailors laugh
about going in front of a freighter and saying they had the right of way.
Amazing Darwin does not get more of them.


You must have VTS on SF Bay.

The sailors must give way to any pwer vessel following the VTS. Any

sailor
thinking otherwise is wrong, according to the rules.


We do. But only an idiot plays chicken with 8000 tons of mass. In a
channel with restricted movement.



DSK November 11th 03 04:55 PM

A great summer of crusing or Let's Ban Power Boats!
 
Calif Bill wrote:

You must not have sailed San Francisco bay.


Actually, I have. Many times, including races.


I have heard sailors laugh
about going in front of a freighter and saying they had the right of way.


I have heard of a few going in front of freighters, but none that laughed about
it. I have also seen a few disqualified from racing because they sailed in
front of freighters.

IMHO the rules should be enforced a bit more vigorously, including the one that
says a private vessel skipper is financially liable to the shipping company.


Amazing Darwin does not get more of them.


Yep... that should include all the motorboats who cut in front of commercial
ships, too.

Fair Skies
Doug King


Maynard G. Krebbs November 12th 03 12:07 AM

A great summer of crusing or Let's Ban Power Boats!
 
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:36:58 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

snip

ALthough I can't speak for all sailboaters, and certainly I've seen my share of
discourteous ones (if you think you're yelled at as a powerboater, you should
try asserting your "stand-on" rights under sail!"STARBOARD!!!!"), there are some
Very Valid reasons to be motoring with sail up.

1. The sail reduces roll and makes the ride much more comfortable.

2. You get a bit more speed/power if there is some wind. This is usually
referred to as "motorsailing": using power partly from the wind, but still
regarded as a powerboat in the Regs.

3. If engine fails, your sail is already up to give you whatever speed you can
get from it. VERY useful if your engine fails when you're in front of a
freighter...(and if you NEVER crossed in front of a freighter, you'd never sail
anywhere in Vancouver Hbr - you just have to make sure you're well out of the
way by the time they get there)

So, sailboats often motor with their sail(s) up. Doesn't mean they're trying to
"put one over" on you and pretend their a sailboat.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36



Also it is considered good seamanship to be ready for an engine
failure when motoring into tight areas. (At least by me.) Sails put
away neatly would be hard to hoist in an emergency. :o)
Mark E. Williams


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