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Propane canister from hell
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Jun 14, 2:30*pm, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips. I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister. Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk, WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on the hull so I fished it out with the crab net. This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried it right back to me. Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So, I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again. Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then tie it up outside overnight? No wind. Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking? Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little propane gas...... brilliant. Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to sink a half full tank? snerk... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of Mexico can get. When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. Even holding it over the side leaking could be dangerous. In this case, safety takes precedence over not littering. I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface. I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if you're unaware of the current direction? Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you posted on here to satisfy yourself. |
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On 6/14/11 3:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, wrote: In , says... In , says... On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips. I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister. Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk, WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on the hull so I fished it out with the crab net. This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried it right back to me. Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So, I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again. Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then tie it up outside overnight? No wind. Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking? Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little propane gas...... brilliant. Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to sink a half full tank?snerk... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of Mexico can get. When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. Even holding it over the side leaking could be dangerous. In this case, safety takes precedence over not littering. I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface. I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if you're unaware of the current direction? Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you posted on here to satisfy yourself. I guess I missed the part that described the source and nature of the gas leak. If it were a leaky valve, it would keep on leaking until there wasn't enough gas pressure left in the tank. At that point, the tank would be floating fairly high in the water. The leaky valve might not have allowed water to leak into the tank. All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity or propriety of a repair. I wouldn't leave the dock in Froggy's boat. If his boat has lifelines, they're probably made from plastic coated clothesline bought at wal-mart. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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Propane canister from hell
On Jun 14, 3:38*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:16 -0400, iBoat wrote: In article 4789ce48-54a7-4d7a-8dc5- , says... On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips. I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister. Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk, WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on the hull so I fished it out with the crab net. This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried it right back to me. Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So, I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again. Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then tie it up outside overnight? No wind. Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking? Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little propane gas...... brilliant. Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to sink a half full tank? snerk... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes precedence over not littering. Let alone the fact that it's heavier than air and will fill a boat cabin in a heartbeat. Wow... you guys call yourselves sailors? How about closing up the boat. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you gas up? Sheesh... and I don't know diddly about boats. Good Gawd, don't be so anal y'all. I take the grill off the stern rail because if there is any chop it could fall overboard. It was a very still night but chop can happen in a few minutes. Getting the canister below surface would not stop it from leaking near my boat and propane could get aboard. Safety requires you get rid of it ASAP. Sinking it even "just below the surface" would require several pounds of weight and unless I want to sacrifice some wrenches, I cannot think of anything that would sink it and as I just pointed out, sinking it does not stop it from leaking. BTW, physics says enough to sink it "just below the surface" is the same as "all the way to the bottom" at least in shallow water. Hazard to navigation? WHAT? In a few hours, it will be empty and you think a small propane canister is a hazard to nav? Be serious. |
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On Jun 14, 3:50*pm, iBoat wrote:
In article , payer33859 @mypacks.net says... On 6/14/11 3:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, *wrote: In , says... In , says... On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch *wrote: Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips. I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister. Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk, WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on the hull so I fished it out with the crab net. This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried it right back to me. Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So, I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again. Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then tie it up outside overnight? No wind. Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking? Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little propane gas...... brilliant. Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to sink a half full tank?snerk... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes precedence over not littering. I took all of 30 seconds to figure out how to do it. If the propane tank is mostly full, it would float fairly low in the water. It wouldn't take much to get it just below the surface. I addressed the lack of wind, since it would be current that would keep it away from the boat. I guess you're not much of a sailor if you're unaware of the current direction? Sounds to me like you were panicked, and it didn't work. Then, you posted on here to satisfy yourself. I guess I missed the part that described the source and nature of the gas leak. If it were a leaky valve, it would keep on leaking until there wasn't enough gas pressure left in the tank. At that point, the tank would be floating fairly high in the water. The leaky valve might not have allowed water to leak into the tank. All of Froggy's boating mishaps present to me as the ongoing saga of a boat owner who ignores maintenance or who juryrigs maintenance so as to get it done as cheaply as possible, without a thought to the longevity or propriety of a repair. I wouldn't leave the dock in Froggy's boat. If his boat has lifelines, they're probably made from plastic coated clothesline bought at wal-mart. |
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Propane canister from hell
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Jun 14, 3:38*pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:16 -0400, iBoat wrote: In article 4789ce48-54a7-4d7a-8dc5- , says... On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips. I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister. Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk, WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on the hull so I fished it out with the crab net. This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried it right back to me. Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So, I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again. Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then tie it up outside overnight? No wind. Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking? Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little propane gas...... brilliant. Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to sink a half full tank? snerk... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes precedence over not littering. Let alone the fact that it's heavier than air and will fill a boat cabin in a heartbeat. Wow... you guys call yourselves sailors? How about closing up the boat. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you gas up? Sheesh... and I don't know diddly about boats. Good Gawd, don't be so anal y'all. I take the grill off the stern rail because if there is any chop it could fall overboard. It was a very still night but chop can happen in a few minutes. Getting the canister below surface would not stop it from leaking near my boat and propane could get aboard. Safety requires you get rid of it ASAP. Sinking it even "just below the surface" would require several pounds of weight and unless I want to sacrifice some wrenches, I cannot think of anything that would sink it and as I just pointed out, sinking it does not stop it from leaking. BTW, physics says enough to sink it "just below the surface" is the same as "all the way to the bottom" at least in shallow water. Hazard to navigation? WHAT? In a few hours, it will be empty and you think a small propane canister is a hazard to nav? Be serious. I don't consider it boating, more like cave diving, far too risky, but they sell hundred mile per hour boats. You would hit with four hundred times the impact energy at 100 as you would at 5, with, say, a sailboat. Such a boat might be badly, even fatally, damaged. Less farfetched, I would not care to pay the possible repairs to the sterndrive on my starcraft. Casady |
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On Jun 14, 4:12*pm, Richard Casady
wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 3:38*pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:07:16 -0400, iBoat wrote: In article 4789ce48-54a7-4d7a-8dc5- , says... On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Jun 14, 1:05 pm, wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Thinking about my wayward dinghy caused me to remember another wandering object on one of my recent Bahamas trips. I had finished cooking on the magma grill (spoiled crew demanded warm mac and cheese) and tried removing the 3/4 full propane canister. Once removed, it was leaking propane, uh oh. No way this thing is staying aboard. I cannot leave it on the grill cuz it is choppy and the grill has to be stowed. After considering various options, I decided littering was the safest one so I simply threw it overboard and settled down to do some reading. A bit later, "Thunk, Thunk, WTF?", I go outside and look down and there's the canister bumping on the hull so I fished it out with the crab net. This time, I really heave it far away and go to bed. Yeah, you guessed right, middle of the night, "Thunk, Thunk", tide had carried it right back to me. Realizing I'm gonna have to get serious about this, I pull out the tide tables and turn on a light eliciting lots of complaints from sleeping crew but I find the tide will be running out in an hour. So, I wait up till then and finally get rid of the canister but never did get back to sleep waiting for the "Thunk, Thunk" again. Why didn't you just slowly open it up down wind, let it empty, then tie it up outside overnight? No wind. Seems like there would be something. None at all? All night? How about tying a weight to it and the boat, then opening the valve... it would sink down current of your boat, bubble along, then you could pull it back in. I thought boaters were all about creative thinking? Yeah, take all night to come up with a scheme to get rid of a little propane gas...... brilliant. Progressive "thinkers".. How much weight do you suppose it would take to sink a half full tank? snerk... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! People on the west coast have no idea how glassy still the Gulf of Mexico can get. *When holding a leaking canister aboard a boat, time is critical lest the heavy propane get in your bilge. *Even holding it over the side leaking could be dangerous. *In this case, safety takes precedence over not littering. Let alone the fact that it's heavier than air and will fill a boat cabin in a heartbeat. Wow... you guys call yourselves sailors? How about closing up the boat. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you gas up? Sheesh... and I don't know diddly about boats. Good Gawd, don't be so anal y'all. *I take the grill off the stern rail because if there is any chop it could fall overboard. *It was a very still night but chop can happen in a few minutes. Getting the canister below surface would not stop it from leaking near my boat and propane could get aboard. *Safety requires you get rid of it ASAP. *Sinking it even "just below the surface" would require several pounds of weight and unless I want to sacrifice some wrenches, I cannot think of anything that would sink it and as I just pointed out, sinking it does not stop it from leaking. *BTW, physics says enough to sink it "just below the surface" is the same as "all the way to the bottom" at least in shallow water. Hazard to navigation? *WHAT? *In a few hours, it will be empty and you think a small propane canister is a hazard to nav? *Be serious. I don't consider it boating, more like cave diving, far too risky, but they sell hundred mile per hour boats. You would hit with four hundred times the impact energy at 100 as you would at 5, with, say, a sailboat. Such a boat might be badly, even fatally, damaged. Less farfetched, I would not care to pay the possible repairs to the sterndrive on my starcraft. Casady If yer worried about a 16 oz canister, are you more worried about the logs floating around out there from the rivers? |
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