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On 21/06/2011 6:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:36:20 -0700, wrote: Yeah, many of the conditions now are the same as the conditions then. *TRY READING* Man wasn't around 500 million years ago creating the conditions causing the mass extinctions. I'll bet the sun was. Jeez, no wonder no one will talk to you. Stick with name-calling. So, if I say that there's a condition called high blood pressure, then there can be one and only one cause for that condition? Try looking up the word condition: Truth is that no one really knows for sure what caused mass instinctions or ice ages in the past. There has been a lot of research and informed speculation but nothing that I'd describe as conclusive. The one thing we know for sure is that past actions of mankind had nothing to do with it. The other thing we know for sure is that large numbers of people in and out of academia are competing for research funding and they are not above releasing a dramatic press release every now and then. Anyone who takes all of these dire pronouncements as gospel needs to get a life. My guess? Man is his worst enemy. First species with the ability to annihilate himself. No natural limitations on breading, nuclear weapons... can even putz with DNA and deliver it in a virus. Think the particle accelerator might create a black hole, and it all abruptly ends. Sure beats freezing to death as the government says the natural gas is needed for war or the egalitarians. Sort of like Russia in the early 1900's. -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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On 6/22/11 12:15 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:28 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:36:20 -0700, wrote: Yeah, many of the conditions now are the same as the conditions then. *TRY READING* Man wasn't around 500 million years ago creating the conditions causing the mass extinctions. I'll bet the sun was. Jeez, no wonder no one will talk to you. Stick with name-calling. So, if I say that there's a condition called high blood pressure, then there can be one and only one cause for that condition? Try looking up the word condition: Truth is that no one really knows for sure what caused mass instinctions or ice ages in the past. There has been a lot of research and informed speculation but nothing that I'd describe as conclusive. The one thing we know for sure is that past actions of mankind had nothing to do with it. The other thing we know for sure is that large numbers of people in and out of academia are competing for research funding and they are not above releasing a dramatic press release every now and then. Anyone who takes all of these dire pronouncements as gospel needs to get a life. My guess? Man is his worst enemy. First species with the ability to annihilate himself. No natural limitations on breading, nuclear weapons... can even putz with DNA and deliver it in a virus. Think the particle accelerator might create a black hole, and it all abruptly ends. Sure beats freezing to death as the government says the natural gas is needed for war or the egalitarians. Sort of like Russia in the early 1900's. Once that "breading" gets out of hand, we'll be **** out of yeast. Love the "science," too...out of control particle accelerators. Yikes. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer asteroid into a safe orbit. Reply: Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are overfishing everything. These all right wing countries? And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans. Soilent Green was far ahead of it time. People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina. UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN empire building. Just ignores reality. I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because of the UN is Useless Nations. All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might as well before you starve to death. Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve. We need to consider he reality, too many human beings. Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game. Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it. Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the worlds worries with this. What's your workable solution to control population? -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 6/22/11 11:49 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 4:11 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 21, 6:56 pm, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H wrote: On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote: Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is working on a cow fish. PARIS (AFP) Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday. Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top ocean experts. Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago. These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that scientists now call the Earth system. All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime." Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming, acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as hypoxia. Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these forces interact. "We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said. "That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted." Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment. The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system. Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere. But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately all life on Earth -- depends. "The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species 55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped out, the report said. That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear. Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less resilient to climate change. Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too. The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna. "We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley, head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN) World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report. "And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone. "All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. " All these caused by human activity? Heard anything about solar activity lately? Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it. Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the other situations were caused by human activity? Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for your problems.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I recorded a program last night called 'Prophets of Doom' which has half a dozen men giving their analysis where we (mostly the US) is going. Lets hope they aren't correct. I saw that. The robot thing is far fetched. Although I would like a Cherry 2000. I have worked with computers even before Bill Gates made his first $10K. It will be a long time yet for computers to become sentient. Female sex dolls, yes, but sentient is pie in the sky. I'll bet your wife would like it, too, if you had a sex doll. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote: The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to start now. Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year sustainability plan of 500 million people? How are we going to do that, Mr. Science? -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 22/06/2011 9:33 AM, iBoat wrote:
In , says... On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, wrote: Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down. Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is) Now that's funny! Are you saying the earth has a yeast infection? -- Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem. |
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