On 22/06/2011 10:20 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

At this point, the easy solutions don't exist. Population control is a
poster child for once ounce of prevention is worth 100 tons of cure.

Politically, no options that are palatable exist. Massive wars, or mass
serialization or just let them riot then starve. The later is going to
happen willingly or not sooner or later. No amount of BS knee jerk is
going to stop reality.

Probably why everyone sticks their head in the sand on the issue. The
options have a bad taste, so do nothing and let it happen. Sick, but true.

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On Jun 22, 12:28*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will
come to an end. *Over population is the big cause. *Too much
indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down.

Here's to indiscriminate breading! * (That's where the dough is)

~~ Snerk ~~
Now leave canuck alone... he tries hard.

On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

Spay and neuter.

At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more
in places smaller than Texas with 180M people.

Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives
to food and water.

So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting
them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal,
kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma.

They hang and assassinate people for much less.

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 10:22 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:49 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 4:11 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 6:56 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H





wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species,
expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at
consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how
these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers
said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the
worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater
now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine
species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was
wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to
the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that
conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the
other situations were caused by human activity?

Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for
your problems.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I recorded a program last night called 'Prophets of Doom' which has
half a dozen men giving their analysis where we (mostly the US) is
going. Lets hope they aren't correct.

I saw that. The robot thing is far fetched. Although I would like a
Cherry 2000. I have worked with computers even before Bill Gates made
his first $10K. It will be a long time yet for computers to become
sentient. Female sex dolls, yes, but sentient is pie in the sky.


I'll bet your wife would like it, too, if you had a sex doll.

Hey, at least I am not into the anal stuff that fascinates you. I
prefer them of age and heterosexual....

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world. But chances of that, is about the same as
winning a lottery 4 times in a row and not buying a ticket. Maybe some
aliens can thin the herd for food.

On a practical and real level, starvation and war for resources is
inevitable and assured. May even make man extinct if it goes nuclear.

Which is the only valid reason I agree in going into Iran and Pakistan.
Nukes need to be banned or our species will in time make itself
extinct. Screwing around with non-nuke Libya is just unprovoked
invasion to steal resources.

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 9:21 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:09 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 12:09 PM, jps wrote:

Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.


PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

I wonder why they don't go after the Japanese for willfully dumping
radioactive wash down waste into the Pacific? No government money in it?

Green is a con job to bilk people for carbon credits and money.


Define "go after."

Protest, criticism, more than lip services and chasing money like
sheep.... Face it, green is about $$$.... nothing to do with the
environment. Entertainment for money at best. At worst, taking our
minds off the real problems of over population and the real hazards like
radioactivity.

So will that be iodine shrimp with that cancer of Salmon?

Japan's reactor incident is in my mind the worst ecological disaster to
date. But government doesn't offer free money to go after it.
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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world.


How very German of you.

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

On 6/22/2011 7:04 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jun 22, 5:32 am, wrote:
On 6/21/11 8:40 PM, wrote:









On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:28:12 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:36:20 -0700, wrote:

Yeah, many of the conditions now are the same as the conditions then.
*TRY READING* Man wasn't around 500 million years ago creating the
conditions causing the mass extinctions. I'll bet the sun was.

Jeez, no wonder no one will talk to you.

Stick with name-calling.

So, if I say that there's a condition called high blood pressure, then
there can be one and only one cause for that condition? Try looking up
the word condition:

Truth is that no one really knows for sure what caused mass
instinctions or ice ages in the past. There has been a lot of
research and informed speculation but nothing that I'd describe as
conclusive. The one thing we know for sure is that past actions of
mankind had nothing to do with it. The other thing we know for sure
is that large numbers of people in and out of academia are competing
for research funding and they are not above releasing a dramatic press
release every now and then. Anyone who takes all of these dire
pronouncements as gospel needs to get a life.

Actually, you're almost right. It's not possible to know with absolute
certainty what caused extinctions. There are some good theories (that
would be scientific theories, which include forming and testing
hypothesis).

You can not make a serious claim that the small dollars being spent on
climate research in any way influences the overwhelming data on how
mankind has affected the environment, esp. when compared to the
enormous amount of money big oil and heavy industries are spending to
try and debunk or undercut the science with their own dramatic press
nonsense and commercials.

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Science is not about taking pronouncements as "gospel." In fact,
skepticism is the basis for the scientific method. Those not well
educated believe that because there is some overblown and ginned up
controversy that means the whole notion of adverse, mankind created
climate change is in doubt. It isn't. Those not well educated look at
a cold winter or a violent storm or whatever and proclaim that there
is no such thing as global warming or that it's a fact. It's much more
nuance than that.

Anything w'hine posts on this subject matter is colored by the fact that
he is a corporate apologist and an investor in oil companies.
Obfuscation is part of his apologist's game.

Your jealousy of Wayne is showing, Herr Krause. He enjoys life,whilst
you stay miserable. You really should do something about that before
you turn green like a frog. This is, unless you like it that way. And
come to think of it, I'm sure you do.

Krause wishes he had some monet to invest instead of putting all of his
beans into a 1/3 shar4e of a 5 store strip mall Where did he get the
money for the mall? Why, dad of course. Dad knew Krause would turn out
to be a worthless POS, so he made provisions for him.

On 6/22/2011 1:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 9:33 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600,
wrote:

Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will
come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much
indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the
population down.

Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is)

Now that's funny!

Are you saying the earth has a yeast infection?

Betcha Plume does.

On 6/22/2011 12:20 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?


Asprin