On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/06/2011 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:09:50 -0700, wrote:


Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.


PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

It's even worse than that..

http://www.ucsusa.org/

News Alert:

Weather has been changing for over a billion years, and more of the same
is expected in the next billion years.

Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will
come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much
indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down.

Yet over population is the one thing we ignore outright as there is no
money in it. Go figure.

News Alert:

You're still the same moron who's been here for quite a while.

Feel free to believe it's ok to pollute.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:28:38 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will
come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much
indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down.

Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is)

Here's to your inability to make a coherent comment without putting
someone else down.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:30:16 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/06/2011 9:33 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:25 -0600,
wrote:

Like any other species before us that has disappeared, our time will
come to an end. Over population is the big cause. Too much
indiscriminate breading and not enough big wars to keep the population down.

Here's to indiscriminate breading! (That's where the dough is)

Now that's funny!

Are you saying the earth has a yeast infection?

He's saying that you're jealous of the yeast brain.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:38:26 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/06/2011 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 5:35 pm, wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H









wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.

Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

The right is causing the sun to heat up.

No. The right is inflaming poorly educated people with nonsense
science.

And the lefties have their heads up their arses.

And, you're qualified to talk about asses and weiners.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:20:41 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, jps wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

His solution is to just say no to birth control.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

Spay and neuter.

At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more
in places smaller than Texas with 180M people.

Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives
to food and water.

So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting
them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal,
kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma.

They hang and assassinate people for much less.

yeah, you're quite the humanitarian...

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:49:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/06/2011 4:11 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 6:56 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H





wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that
conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the
other situations were caused by human activity?

Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for
your problems.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I recorded a program last night called 'Prophets of Doom' which has
half a dozen men giving their analysis where we (mostly the US) is
going. Lets hope they aren't correct.

I saw that. The robot thing is far fetched. Although I would like a
Cherry 2000. I have worked with computers even before Bill Gates made
his first $10K. It will be a long time yet for computers to become
sentient. Female sex dolls, yes, but sentient is pie in the sky.

But the rest, quite true. It is a fact that the world cannot support 7
billion people, so what do we do? Head towards 10, 15 billion people...

Isn't going to happen. Riots today are not about democracy, they are
about subsistence living. Propaganda media has sold the masses on
democracy is there answer, and are they going to be disappointed. Does
not mater be it democracy, kingdom, dictatorship, no jobs, no food, no
money to have pussy and a family, begging for flour to eat....that is
what it is about.

Bottom line, too many people stripping the planet bare for something to
eat. Unsustainable and guaranteed the reality is going to hit hard as
eco systems collapse not from CO2, but from over fishing, stripping the
land.

Going to get ugly.

The bottom line is that you're an ignorant asshole. Feel free to dream
about your computer sex creation. That's about your speed.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:23:05 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:40:57 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:28:12 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:36:20 -0700, wrote:

Yeah, many of the conditions now are the same as the conditions then.
*TRY READING* Man wasn't around 500 million years ago creating the
conditions causing the mass extinctions. I'll bet the sun was.

Jeez, no wonder no one will talk to you.

Stick with name-calling.

So, if I say that there's a condition called high blood pressure, then
there can be one and only one cause for that condition? Try looking up
the word condition:

Truth is that no one really knows for sure what caused mass
instinctions or ice ages in the past. There has been a lot of
research and informed speculation but nothing that I'd describe as
conclusive. The one thing we know for sure is that past actions of
mankind had nothing to do with it. The other thing we know for sure
is that large numbers of people in and out of academia are competing
for research funding and they are not above releasing a dramatic press
release every now and then. Anyone who takes all of these dire
pronouncements as gospel needs to get a life.

Actually, you're almost right. It's not possible to know with absolute
certainty what caused extinctions. There are some good theories (that
would be scientific theories, which include forming and testing
hypothesis).

You can not make a serious claim that the small dollars being spent on
climate research in any way influences the overwhelming data on how
mankind has affected the environment, esp. when compared to the
enormous amount of money big oil and heavy industries are spending to
try and debunk or undercut the science with their own dramatic press
nonsense and commercials.

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Science is not about taking pronouncements as "gospel." In fact,
skepticism is the basis for the scientific method. Those not well
educated believe that because there is some overblown and ginned up
controversy that means the whole notion of adverse, mankind created
climate change is in doubt. It isn't. Those not well educated look at
a cold winter or a violent storm or whatever and proclaim that there
is no such thing as global warming or that it's a fact. It's much more
nuance than that.

In typical fashion you have missed the point and changed the subject.

In typical fashion, you're just as ignorant as Knuckles.


For the record:

1. No one knows for sure what caused mass extinctions and ice ages.

Nobody is disputing this.

2. With the exception of the last ice age, mankind as we know it did
not yet exist, ergo, no involvement.

Nobody is disputing this.

Those facts are indsputable.

You're stupidity is indisputable also.

Point #2:

A lot of dramatic press releases regarding some new gloom and doom
scenario are designed to capture media attention and help gain funding
for some narrowly targeted research effort. In the world of science
that's called preserving your job.

Over and out.

Yeah, you're over and out. How about all the TV commercials from big
oil about how committed they are to the environment? Who's spending
the real money, big oil or Greenpeace? In the world of industry,
that's called the profit motive.

Feel free to tool around, spewing out god knows what amount of
hydrocarbons in search of your "middle class" nightmare.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:21:23 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?

This planet can't sustain 7 billion people. No one rational argues that.

If we are to sustain 7 billion people, we need a biologically friendly
cheap energy source we don't have with some storage break throughs we
don't have. Without these, mass starvation is guaranteed. We can argue
about the time line, but without oil, Africa isn't going to get the food
- and that means 2 billion starving.

Huh? Try English. Perhaps you'd like to nuke somebody? That's the
typical right-wing solution.

On 6/22/11 3:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

Spay and neuter.

At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more
in places smaller than Texas with 180M people.

Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives
to food and water.

So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting
them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal,
kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma.

They hang and assassinate people for much less.

yeah, you're quite the humanitarian...


Sacrificing the rights of people, stealing, killing?

Corporate executives?

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