On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world.


How very German of you.

Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum...

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:39:39 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/06/2011 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that
conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the
other situations were caused by human activity?

Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for
your problems.

Al Gore is a profiter, preys on peoples stupidity for personal financial
gain.

Yeah, he's the cause of all your problems. I'm sure.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:58:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/06/2011 9:21 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 11:09 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 12:09 PM, jps wrote:

Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.


PARIS (AFP) – Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

I wonder why they don't go after the Japanese for willfully dumping
radioactive wash down waste into the Pacific? No government money in it?

Green is a con job to bilk people for carbon credits and money.


Define "go after."

Protest, criticism, more than lip services and chasing money like
sheep.... Face it, green is about $$$.... nothing to do with the
environment. Entertainment for money at best. At worst, taking our
minds off the real problems of over population and the real hazards like
radioactivity.

So will that be iodine shrimp with that cancer of Salmon?

Japan's reactor incident is in my mind the worst ecological disaster to
date. But government doesn't offer free money to go after it.

In your mind??? Now that's funny. You're so stupid, it's gotta hurt.

On 6/22/11 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world.


How very German of you.

Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum...

Well, it fits snugly with his racism.

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

On 22/06/2011 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin, Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle. You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

Spay and neuter.

At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more
in places smaller than Texas with 180M people.

Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives
to food and water.

So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting
them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal,
kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma.

They hang and assassinate people for much less.

yeah, you're quite the humanitarian...

Got a better rational solution lets here it chimp?
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 1:36 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 3:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:43:05 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/06/2011 10:34 AM, iBoat wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/22/11 11:36 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 3:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) ? Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned
Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species,
expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive
depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's
top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few
years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider
disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions
that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back
more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same
conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford
professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at
consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment,
and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand
how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts,"
Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than
predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the
worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new
assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the
oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate
system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter
of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and
ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far
greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine
species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life
was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or
PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that
could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed
to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems
but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae,
jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine
ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's
(IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough
time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back
more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same
conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Ohh absolutely, Al Gore will call out Superman to move the killer
asteroid into a safe orbit.


Reply:
Why is it the rights doings? France is overfishing Bluefin,
Japanese are
overfishing everything. These all right wing countries?

And it all boils down to over population. Too many hungry mouths
for the
world to start. The worst pollution is too many humans.

Soilent Green was far ahead of it time.

People can't keep having 8 kids on land than can't support 80% of the
existing population and the selfish stupid parents can't raise them
properly. Unemployed, they lay around screwing anything with a
vagina.
UN feeds today to make a bigger problem tomorrow. For profit and UN
empire building. Just ignores reality.

I would not doubt 5 billion or more people will die this century of
starvation or war for resources like food. Every one suffering
because
of the UN is Useless Nations.

All it would take is a 3 year drought of Canada, US, Russia wheat
production. And billions would be looking to riot, kill, war, as
might
as well before you starve to death.

Meanwhile US-Euro regime propaganda makes the middle east riots
out to
be about democracy. It has squat to do with democracy. It has to
do with
cost of food and family. They have no jobs, no pussy, no meaningful
income, waiting for a flour drop off to eat....just like cattle.
You and
I, flour goes u $5 for 10 kilo, we grunt. They starve.

We need to consider he reality, too many human beings.

Take Haiti, stripped baron from over population. Yet no money in
Gore or
Suzuki to get right to the over population problem is there when
billions can be raised by the UN..... profit on misery, the UN game.
Haiti ws predicted 30 years ago and UN ignored it.

Going to be a lot of suffering in the next 10,000 years as we either
mature socially or join the dinosaurs. And my SUT is the least of the
worlds worries with this.


What's your workable solution to control population?

Spay and neuter.

At birth. Leaving only 1/100 fertile and do this for 40 years or more
in places smaller than Texas with 180M people.

Trouble is, forcing them? Another option is to add sterility additives
to food and water.

So which is better? Sacrificing the rights of these people or letting
them bring in a starving kid that to survive has to learn how to steal,
kill and will likely also rape and riot? An ethical dilemma.

They hang and assassinate people for much less.

yeah, you're quite the humanitarian...


Sacrificing the rights of people, stealing, killing?

Corporate executives?

Obama....

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 1:31 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:49:31 -0600,
wrote:

On 21/06/2011 4:11 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 21, 6:56 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT), John H





wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, wrote:
Certainly not the right... scientists are a bunch of blowhard
lefties. God will create more species if we need 'em. Monsanto is
working on a cow fish.

PARIS (AFP) Pollution and global warming are pushing the world's
oceans to the brink of a mass extinction of marine life unseen for
tens of millions of years, a consortium of scientists warned Monday.

Dying coral reefs, biodiversity ravaged by invasive species, expanding
open-water "dead zones," toxic algae blooms, the massive depletion of
big fish stocks -- all are accelerating, they said in a report
compiled during an April meeting in Oxford of 27 of the world's top
ocean experts.

Sponsored by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean
(IPSO), the review of recent science found that ocean health has
declined further and faster than dire forecasts only a few years ago.

These symptoms, moreover, could be the harbinger of wider disruptions
in the interlocking web of biological and chemical interactions that
scientists now call the Earth system.

All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said.

"The results are shocking," said Alex Rogers, an Oxford professor who
heads IPSO and co-authored the report. "We are looking at consequences
for humankind that will impact in our lifetime."

Three main drivers are sickening the global marine environment, and
all are a direct consequence of humans activity: global warming,
acidification and a dwindling level oxygen, a condition known as
hypoxia.

Up to now, these and other impacts have been studied mainly in
isolation. Only recently have scientists began to understand how these
forces interact.

"We have underestimated the overall risks, and that the whole of
marine degradation is greater than the sum of its parts," Rogers said.
"That degradation is now happening at a faster rate than predicted."

Indeed, the pace of change is tracking or has surpassed the worst-case
scenarios laid out by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) in its landmark 2007 report, according to the new assessment.

The chain reaction leading to increased acidification of the oceans
begins with a massive influx of carbon into Earth's climate system.

Oceans act as a massive sponge, soaking up more than a quarter of the
CO2 humans pump into the atmosphere.

But when the sponge becomes too saturated, it can disrupt the
delicately balanced ecosystems on which marine life -- and ultimately
all life on Earth -- depends.

"The rate at which carbon is being absorbed is already far greater now
than during the last globally significant extinction of marine species
55 million years ago," when some 50 percent of deep-sea life was wiped
out, the report said.

That event, called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, or PETM, may
be an ancient dress rehearsal for future climate change that could be
even more abrupt and more damaging, some scientists fear.

Pollution has also taken a heavy toll, rendering the oceans less
resilient to climate change.

Runoff from nitrogen-rich fertiliser, killer microbes, and
hormone-disrupting chemicals, for example, have all contributed to the
mass die-off of corals, crucial not just for marine ecosystems but a
lifeline for hundreds of millions of people too.

The harvesting up to 90 percent of some species of big fish and
sharks, meanwhile, has hugely disrupted food chains throughout the
ocean, leading to explosive and imbalanced growth of algae, jellyfish
and other "opportunistic" flora and fauna.

"We now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such
as coral reefs, within a single generation," said Daniel Laffoley,
head of the International Union for Conservation of Nature's (IUCN)
World Commission on Protected Areas, and co-author of the report.

"And we are also probably the last generation that has enough time to
deal with the problems," he told AFP by phone.

"All five mass extinctions of life on the planet, reaching back more
than 500 million years, were preceded by many of the same conditions
now afflicted the ocean environment, they said. "

All these caused by human activity?

Heard anything about solar activity lately?

Tell you what...Send lots of money to Al Gore. He'll fix it.

Do you not understand the word "conditions"? Do you believe that
conditions can only be caused by solar activity? Did they say the
other situations were caused by human activity?

Feel free to deny what's in your face. Feel free to blame Al Gore for
your problems.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I recorded a program last night called 'Prophets of Doom' which has
half a dozen men giving their analysis where we (mostly the US) is
going. Lets hope they aren't correct.

I saw that. The robot thing is far fetched. Although I would like a
Cherry 2000. I have worked with computers even before Bill Gates made
his first $10K. It will be a long time yet for computers to become
sentient. Female sex dolls, yes, but sentient is pie in the sky.

But the rest, quite true. It is a fact that the world cannot support 7
billion people, so what do we do? Head towards 10, 15 billion people...

Isn't going to happen. Riots today are not about democracy, they are
about subsistence living. Propaganda media has sold the masses on
democracy is there answer, and are they going to be disappointed. Does
not mater be it democracy, kingdom, dictatorship, no jobs, no food, no
money to have pussy and a family, begging for flour to eat....that is
what it is about.

Bottom line, too many people stripping the planet bare for something to
eat. Unsustainable and guaranteed the reality is going to hit hard as
eco systems collapse not from CO2, but from over fishing, stripping the
land.

Going to get ugly.

The bottom line is that you're an ignorant asshole. Feel free to dream
about your computer sex creation. That's about your speed.

Boy, you and harryk sound like your both in the same ass hole. Are you
having fun?
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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world.


How very German of you.

But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in
pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be
killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that
is what goes on because we do nothing.

Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland
kind of crap?
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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 22/06/2011 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:32:32 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world.


How very German of you.

Wow... incredible. He actually said that in a public forum...

Harry had a moment of brilliance. But hardly limited to Germans.

Virtually every religion out there is against birth control for self
propelling reasons only. Out populate the enemy and more revenue for
the church.

Has nothing to do with humanity. Or the birth control pills would be
issued like candy to prevent the pain and suffering to come. Thus
religion is based in such backwards thought.

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Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 6/22/11 4:39 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 12:32 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/06/2011 10:24 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/22/11 12:21 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/06/2011 6:40 PM, wrote:

The vast consensus is that mankind has been negatively influencing
the
environment since the Industrial Revolution began, and it's generally
getting worse not better. Something needs to be done, and we need to
start now.

Might I suggest we decrease the population to say 30,000 year
sustainability plan of 500 million people?


How are we going to do that, Mr. Science?

Need a benevolent world dictator willing to do mass sterilizations of
entire areas of the world.


How very German of you.

But you would rather see the little *******s born into poverty, in
pollution dumps scraping metals from our garbage, learn to kill or be
killed. Rape because you you have nothing to offer a woman. Yep, that is
what goes on because we do nothing.

Have a better practical solution? One that isn't fleabag wonderland kind
of crap?


Yeah, it's called spending massively around the world on family planning
education and birth control devices and clinics. There are many humane
ways to cut the birth rate, if that is the goal. Forced sterilization,
what you advocate, is what the Nazis promoted.

You're really a nasty little prick, uninformed, racist, and entirely
without human values.





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