On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?

On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?



I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by
kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store,
he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was
poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them
being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom
glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the
windows and doors would go.

They gave off a hell of a lot of heat.



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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?

Kerosene fired forced air heater. They are long and tubular and sit
horizontally on the ground..

http://www.masterheaters.com/Desa_images/b600.jpg

something like that....
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On 6/23/11 3:38 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 3:14 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote:

Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load,
so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok.

If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that
all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same
amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there
is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO.

Casady

Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are
required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything.

Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is
present, you can expect CO as well.

Casady


I don't run the diesel generator or the diesel engines on our boat
unless everyone is awake and the cabin is open. I've got CO detectors
placed appropriately. I also drop down in the bilge before using the
boat to check oil, fittings, whatever I can see. CO scares the crap out
of me.




I do have to be honest, even if I did own a boat, when have I ever been
away from rec.boats long enough to actually use a boat ... and don't get
me started about me having any time to use a motorcycle.

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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30:22 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?



I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by
kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store,
he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was
poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them
being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom
glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the
windows and doors would go.

They gave off a hell of a lot of heat.

The put out 250 000 BTU per hour, more than most residental furnaces.
They will run fine of fuel oil or Diesel, but beware the sulfur.

Casady

On 6/23/11 5:50 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30:22 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?



I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by
kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store,
he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was
poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them
being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom
glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the
windows and doors would go.

They gave off a hell of a lot of heat.

The put out 250 000 BTU per hour, more than most residental furnaces.
They will run fine of fuel oil or Diesel, but beware the sulfur.

Casady


I don't recall them being at the store for more than a couple of weeks.
Once the glass and doors went in and the furnace was installed, they
went back to wherever they were borrowed or rented from. I seem to
remember they were kind of noisy, too, with a loud hissing noise, but
that could be a false memory. Hell, it was 60 years ago, when my father
moved his retail store from downtown New Haven to a western suburb.

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On 6/23/11 5:58 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 5:50 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30:22 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon
as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?



I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by
kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store,
he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was
poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them
being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom
glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the
windows and doors would go.

They gave off a hell of a lot of heat.

The put out 250 000 BTU per hour, more than most residental furnaces.
They will run fine of fuel oil or Diesel, but beware the sulfur.

Casady


I don't recall them being at the store for more than a couple of weeks.
Once the glass and doors went in and the furnace was installed, they
went back to wherever they were borrowed or rented from. I seem to
remember they were kind of noisy, too, with a loud hissing noise, but
that could be a false memory. Hell, it was 60 years ago, when my father
moved his retail store from downtown New Haven to a western suburb.


Sometimes I wonder why in the world I bother telling these stories, but
I hope everyone enjoys my ramblings.

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On Jun 23, 5:30*pm, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:





On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
*wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
*wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... *Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?

I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by
kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store,
he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was
poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them
being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom
glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the
windows and doors would go.

They gave off a hell of a lot of heat.

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My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in
my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/
February of 1976.
The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot
air and burning kerosine oil as fuel.
Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now.

On 6/23/11 7:20 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:30 pm, wrote:
On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:





On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out.

If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing
conciousness and being fatally overcome.

Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who
knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel
better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a
salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said.

=====

What is a "salamander type heater"?

I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by
kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store,
he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was
poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them
being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom
glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the
windows and doors would go.

They gave off a hell of a lot of heat.

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- Show quoted text -

My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in
my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/
February of 1976.
The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot
air and burning kerosine oil as fuel.
Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now.

I remember a bathroom heater my great aunt had when I was about 4 or
maybe 5. It had coils on it that looked like the electric coils inside
a toaster oven. If I remember correctly, she only used it during the
winter and then only when she was taking a shower. She would hit the
on/off button before she got in the shower, by the time she got out it
was nice and toasty. Those were some good memories.

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Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, wrote:
On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good
generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I
know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a
couple
of days but the reviews were all very good.

Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a
generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now
has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight
neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn
to run it in...

====

Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea.

Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat.
You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage
with no wind. It happens. We've had a detector for over 10 years
and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station
wagon" effect when underway in a following wind.

Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a
detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend
more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it.

I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I
started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a
paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to
the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my
system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real
bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure.



In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to
be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling
debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated
"watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the
workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety
regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or
whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as
they are in the USA.

US unions have 4-5 "watchers" for every worker on the jobs I've seen
even if they are digging a hole in the ground.