On 8/2/11 12:53 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/2/2011 12:12 PM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/2/11 12:03 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/2/2011 11:45 AM, X-Man wrote:
In raweb.com, "not a
says...

On 8/2/2011 10:32 AM, X - Man wrote:
...non-boating project...

I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry
stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll
compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches
for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to
power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

Exciting, eh? A bit of beef for rec.boat's asshole trolls to feed
upon.

Sorry ex man.
Where's the beef.
Any project you would undertake on your own would be more like like
Pablum for us real men.

Well, first, it isn't a "screening bed". It is a bed, and you use
screened sand or limestone!!! So, you can tell he's a spoofer,
because I
know everything!

Please! He's fishing for expertise. Let him figure it out on his own or
let the bricklayer lady help him.


"A bit of beef for rec.boat's asshole trolls to feed upon."

As predicted, the trolls snapped at the bait...it's easier to catch
trolls here than it is to buy a fish at a fish market.

I've built four patios over the years, three large ones and one small
one. This will be number five. If I were searching for "expertise" on
*any* boating or construction subject, rec.boats would not be the place
I'd look. There are no experts on these subjects here.





That was then. This is now. The years haven't been kind to you. You've
shrunk, and gotten fat, Your hands look pale and bloated. Are you
drinking enough water? And with that Friar Tuck hair do, I'll bet you
are a lady killer.

By the by; a fish market would be the last place I'd go looking for
fresh fish.


You give trolling assholes like "Beach" a bit of beef...and they troll,
and troll, and troll, and troll...

--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear.

In article ,
says...

On 8/2/11 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg


Grass growing between the pavers hasn't been a significant problem up
here. It has been for a relative in Florida, who built a brick paver
walkway between his driveway and his front door. Thanks for the
heads-up, but I don't think it will be any more than a petty annoyance,
if that.

So, tell us, why the geo textile fabric, spoofer?

On 8/2/11 1:03 PM, X-Man wrote:

So, tell us, why the geo textile fabric, spoofer?


--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear.

On 8/2/2011 1:02 PM, X - Man wrote:
O
You give trolling assholes like "Beach" a bit of beef...and they troll,
and troll, and troll, and troll...

Excellent. They'll keep you entertained all afternoon until the
breadwinner comes home from work.

On 8/2/11 1:30 PM, A boater wrote:
On 8/2/2011 1:02 PM, X - Man wrote:
O
You give trolling assholes like "Beach" a bit of beef...and they troll,
and troll, and troll, and troll...

Excellent. They'll keep you entertained all afternoon until the
breadwinner comes home from work.

And trolling assholes like "A boater..." who, of course, isn't a boater.

--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear.

In article ,
says...

On 8/2/11 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

The problem with concreting in pavers is the freeze-thaw cycle up here.
Even when the concrete is thick enough and reinforced and there are
expansion joints, the freeze-thaw cycle sometimes rears its ugly head
and large chunks of the paved area rise up or drop down. If pavers on a
bed of sand move, it is easy to reposition them.

Wrong, spoofer! You only have to worry about that when the concrete is
separating conditioned space to unconditioned space. Why? Well, if you
right wing turds new anything, you'd know that the freeze/thaw cycle
will move everything equally. Look at your sidewalk as an example. It's
certainly not founded below frost depth.

On 8/2/11 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:44:14 -0400, X -
wrote:

On 8/2/11 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

The problem with concreting in pavers is the freeze-thaw cycle up here.
Even when the concrete is thick enough and reinforced and there are
expansion joints, the freeze-thaw cycle sometimes rears its ugly head
and large chunks of the paved area rise up or drop down. If pavers on a
bed of sand move, it is easy to reposition them.

This is a reinforced 4" slab so cracking has not been a huge problem.
Up there, if you are building on that "bank run gravel" and clay
substrate cracking was never a problem for me.
I had a huge driveway there that never cracked. (my ex still lives
there)
When I set these stones I used a latex modified mortar that has a bit
of give to it so the cracks are not really that bad. The only place I
have one is in a section that was destablized when they dug the pool.
The crack followed the line of the stone. I keep saying I will grind
out the mortar and regrout it now that it stabilized again but it is
not very high on my list. The rest has held up fine.

The important thing, if you did want to set this on concrete up there
is to be sure there are no voids in the mortar that would hold water.
I would lay down about an inch of modified type S and bed the stone
in, being damned sure I got all the air bubbles out. Then you screed
off the excess, wiping down the top of the stone as best you can with
a damp grout sponge.
Once it has set but is still green, you can detail the stone getting
the rest off. After a month or so you can finish it with your pressure
washer, getting off anything you missed.
I have to say, with 2 decades of service out of this, it is the
perfect patio/pool deck. It gives very good footing when it is wet.
It is pretty much maintenance free. We pressure clean it once or twice
a year but with the wide fan spray so it goes real fast.


Too much work. As I said, I've built patios before, pavers on sand, and
had no serious problems.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:20:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X - Man
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.

On 8/2/11 10:37 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:20:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.


I don't anticipate any serious ongoing maintenance problems after the
pavers are installed. One of my long-time friends who lives in Old Town,
Alexandria, has a house built just after the Civil War that features a
brick patio put in at the same time the house was built. The patio is
brick on sand. It still looks good. Once in a while he gets a little
moss between some of the joints. The moss just adds to the character of
the patio.

On 8/3/2011 6:28 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/2/11 10:37 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:20:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry
stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll
compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches
for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.


I don't anticipate any serious ongoing maintenance problems after the
pavers are installed. One of my long-time friends who lives in Old Town,
Alexandria, has a house built just after the Civil War that features a
brick patio put in at the same time the house was built. The patio is
brick on sand. It still looks good. Once in a while he gets a little
moss between some of the joints. The moss just adds to the character of
the patio.

Like that little fringe of hair that circles that pumpkin like head of
yours. Adds character indeed.